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post #14176 of 18156
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Everyone has a love/hate with treble - if it is there, they can't decide if they love it or hate it. But as with bass, we all know how we feel when it ISN"T there.

 

I am with you - I'd MUCH rather have an HE-400 living on the bright side than go to an LCD and feel like my music was on life-support. Most of the music that really gets me pumped NEEDS treble. But not everything I listen to NEEDs to be 'smooth' and 'natural'.

 

You have listened to the LCD 2/3 and felt they are lifeless?

 

The problem with the HE400 treble is not that it has too much or too little, its that it is a harsh tizzy treble.

My B&W speakers have more treble than the HE400, but its silky smooth treble that makes my ears tingle and puts a smile on my face. Now if I could just make them into headphones.

Every time I listen to them, after, I feel that the HE400 just doesn't sound right. Its a brave person that listens to the HE400 with no EQ. Over time, its just not bearable.

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It's a tizzy treble because there's too much treble.  The HE-400's treble is softer by nature than the LCD2 treble that's a little hard sounding.  There also isn't much ringing issues with the HE-400's treble either.  It's almost purely a quantity issue.

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

It's a tizzy treble because there's too much treble.  The HE-400's treble is softer by nature than the LCD2 treble that's a little hard sounding.  There also isn't much ringing issues with the HE-400's treble either.  It's almost purely a quantity issue.

 

Yeah.. there is too much treble, no doubt, but that isn't the entire cause of the tizziness.

 

What I actually meant though was that with my speakers, I can hear higher frequencies (treble extension?) whereas on the HE400 all I hear is a tizz. It all gets covered up by the tizz. Much improved with EQ but still not quite right.

 

Call it what you will, how ever it occurs.. it just sounds wonky.

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Edited by hifimanrookie - 11/3/13 at 4:59pm
post #14180 of 18156
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

I am the only one who... likes the HE 400 treble or rather is afriad to upgrade to the LCD 2/3/X becuase I'm scared I'll lose the Bright treble that I like 

 

+1! Love how cymbals sound on HE-400! It's the only headphone that I own that does the higs like heaven (at least for me).

 

My only problem was the mid-highs, it is a bit lacking for my ideal tonal balance.

post #14181 of 18156
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If anyone is considering the he400.or other hps please give consideration to Justin at headamp. His prices are good and his service is excellent. Highly recommended.
post #14182 of 18156
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If anyone is considering the he400.or other hps please give consideration to Justin at headamp. His prices are good and his service is excellent. Highly recommended.

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If anyone is considering the he400.or other hps please give consideration to Justin at headamp. His prices are good and his service is excellent. Highly recommended.
Or get a second hand he400.. One of our members (texfeud is his nickname if i am not mistaken) is selling his immaculate he400 for 275euro... Just trying to help out here tongue.gif
post #14184 of 18156
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If anyone is considering the he400.or other hps please give consideration to Justin at headamp. His prices are good and his service is excellent. Highly recommended.

welp my qeustion about running an HE 4 balanced kinda got un answered >.> so sadly I Think [I should reaserach it honestly]

 

Non the less, my HE 400 may have a new owner [balanced cable and J$ as well] that said, I tried the w1000x with the J$ and it perfectly acceptable for EDM, not as fast as the HE 400 but when I want to listen to edm I need isolation 

 

That said, I might also b getting a Modded D2k... still I'm happy to have heard the HE 400 :3... and To matt u have a PM 

post #14185 of 18156
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welp my qeustion about running an HE 4 balanced kinda got un answered >.> so sadly I Think

The simple answer is a yes. I have the HE 4 running balanced (Moon Audio silver dragon cable) to my Mjolnir. Now perk up 😃
post #14186 of 18156
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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post
 

The simple answer is a yes. I have the HE 4 running balanced (Moon Audio silver dragon cable) to my Mjolnir. Now perk up 😃

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

welp my qeustion about running an HE 4 balanced kinda got un answered >.> so sadly I Think

Fixed u silly bear

 

either way, I might try the HE 4 but atm I'd rather just enjoy the dt 880 and hopefully a modded D2k for EDM 

post #14187 of 18156
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Originally Posted by mlxx View Post
 

 

Yeah.. there is too much treble, no doubt, but that isn't the entire cause of the tizziness.

 

What I actually meant though was that with my speakers, I can hear higher frequencies (treble extension?) whereas on the HE400 all I hear is a tizz. It all gets covered up by the tizz. Much improved with EQ but still not quite right.

 

Call it what you will, how ever it occurs.. it just sounds wonky.

 

Try one of my EQ files I uploaded.....  The HE400 still does not sound perfect but it is a big improvement in the treble and does not sound anywhere near as bad for the "Tizzzzzzzzzz" and "Ssssssssssss" of the treble.

 

Still... however much you EQ the HE400 it has still the same problem - They either sound clear but with some treble harshness or smooth treble but slightly muffled, even if you get the EQ perfect they still sound either a bit muffled or a bit harsh, you cannot get them to be both 100% clear and smooth at the same time, but if you get the EQ right you can get it sounding a LOT better anyway. Also they emphasise sibilance too much, unless you EQ it down so much that it messes up the detail... I found the best thing is to have 2 EQ's... One for low bitrate / bad recordings and one for FLAC etc. Although I would prefer to just have some headphones that sounded good with everything, not sure any headphones sound good with low bitrate / bad recordings though, it is funny how there is a 100+ page thread arguing that 128kbps and 320kbps sound identical, when it is so obviously not. 


Edited by nicholars - 11/4/13 at 4:21am
post #14188 of 18156
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

welp my qeustion about running an HE 4 balanced kinda got un answered >.> so sadly I Think [I should reaserach it honestly]

 

Non the less, my HE 400 may have a new owner [balanced cable and J$ as well] that said, I tried the w1000x with the J$ and it perfectly acceptable for EDM, not as fast as the HE 400 but when I want to listen to edm I need isolation 

 

That said, I might also b getting a Modded D2k... still I'm happy to have heard the HE 400 :3... and To matt u have a PM 

 

The Denon Dxxx are excellent for EDM, not very good for other genres such as metal or rock etc. They might seem a bit slow and bloated compared to the HE400.... I would like to get another pair but for some reason Denon decided it would be a good idea to discontinue the Dx000 series and replace them with the (bad) dx00 series Now the only option is get used Dxxxx or TH600/TH900 which cost a lot.


Edited by nicholars - 11/4/13 at 4:20am
post #14189 of 18156

The treble on the HE-400 is too agressive to listen to for an extended period of time with no EQ.

That beeing said, i found myself using the Fiio E17 controls more than once to increse the treble for a few songs.

Depnds on too many factors i think.


Edited by catspaw - 11/4/13 at 4:57am
post #14190 of 18156
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

 

The Denon Dxxx are excellent for EDM, not very good for other genres such as metal or rock etc. They might seem a bit slow and bloated compared to the HE400.... I would like to get another pair but for some reason Denon decided it would be a good idea to discontinue the Dx000 series and replace them with the (bad) dx00 series Now the only option is get used Dxxxx or TH600/TH900 which cost a lot.

 

Going to try and score a MOdded D2k with the funds from the HE 400 sale. 

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