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There is no contest for me between the HD650 and HD800 either.  HD650 is the much better tonal experience.

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There is no contest for me between the HD650 and HD800 either.  HD650 is the much better tonal experience.
If it's all about the mids, I could see that. Don't see them as being in the same class personally because of the "out of head" experience and supremely natural sound coming from the 800 (slight treble annoyance aside). There is so much that's disturbing about this picture
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There is no contest for me between the HD650 and HD800 either.  HD650 is the much better tonal experience.

 

Can't say I liked it much before either. Heard it on a Burson 160d and on the Senn amp and didn't like it... but this time it was magic.

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The new research by harmon says something like a diagonal line sloping downward 10db from 20hz to 20khz is ideal, but as to what kind of compensation, I have no idea.  


That's what I am talking about!

 

Downward sloping - not really, because a flat midrange is still desirable. The closest thing I can think of that I have actually heard was the Andrew Jones wireless speaker + subwoofer. The thing actually sounds amazing for what it is, and it has a definite downward sloping line. It is definitely a tad bass heavy at times, but has a real rich sound. Jones did work for Harmon I believe. I definitely want to get my hands on his Pioneer speakers - I have a feeling they would be amazing in a small / medium sized room.

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The Sennheiser Momentum FR....

 


Almost the same except for the bass boost....

About 20dB down at 4 khz! Yikes. That phone is more scooped out than the HE-400s and probably is a little too treble light. I would love to hear them, but I would assume they are going to seem a little too rich and polite. However, the relatively flat response from 10hz-1khz is pretty impressive for a dynamic.

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Can't say I liked it much before either. Heard it on a Burson 160d and on the Senn amp and didn't like it... but this time it was magic.

 

 

Yeah that's the thing I'm afraid of, having to spend my whole life trying to find an amp that I find the best with the HD800, haha.  Its comfort is really, really great though.

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About 20dB down at 4 khz! Yikes. That phone is more scooped out than the HE-400s and probably is a little too treble light. I would love to hear them, but I would assume they are going to seem a little too rich and polite. However, the relatively flat response from 10hz-1khz is pretty impressive for a dynamic.

 

They are pretty damn good actually.... More like around 8db down but with that random dip there, can't say I noticed it though... To me they were just about right with the frequency response... Maybe could be a couple DB more upper mids and treble... I left the EQ flat on the Momentums except for a small bass boost for EDM.... However the ear cups are tiny and the lack of soundstage and small sound compared to full size headphones ruined it for me.... If they were 50% bigger and had twice the soundstage size they would be around equal with the HE400 for sound quality overall.

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There is no contest for me between the HD650 and HD800 either.  HD650 is the much better tonal experience.

+1, though I did like it, it was not what I am looking for.


Edited by Fearless1 - 10/20/13 at 4:32pm
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I definitely didn't hear such a massive drop from mids an up on the Momentum. The graphs make it look like the Momentum has non-existent treble. That's pretty inacurrate. Yes, they're smooth, but they're not deficient or veiled...
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Well a 5-10db dip in the upper mids on innerfidelity graphs is pretty usual as well.  So it's more like their upper mids might be 5db below neutral.

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That sounds more realistic.
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Well I am always fooled also by the way that response is plotted. I forget that, having relatively flat bass through 1 khz should, like the HE-400, even make the phones seem a little 'bass light' at first. Having owned a lot of senns, I also understand that they are not typically deficient in the treble. But they are veiled. Has anyone heard the HD-598s as well? How do those compare? The 598s would probably be my first choice for my next senns, or maybe some used 600s. But I couldn't afford the 700 or 800.

 

What's funny is that my old 428s were in some ways the bassiest, nicest phones ever - so long as they weren't pushed to super high volumes. They were quite veiled for music (which became a deal breaker), but sounded awesome for movies and games. I still like to throw them on for just those reasons.


Edited by MrMateoHead - 10/21/13 at 7:19am
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598 sound the exact opposite of HE-400 to me.  Too much upper-mids, not enough bass and treble.

post #13844 of 17710
I currently own the hifiman he-400's, and the Sennheiser hd650, and Sennheiser hd595, and must admit.....I AM SO IN LOVE WITH MY he-400's!! I agree....the hifiman is completely awesome! I'm looking to sell the hd650, and keep the hd595, and use the hifiman for all my at home listening!! BEST HEADPHONE EVER!! it's worth way more than 400 dollars.....trust me! smily_headphones1.gif
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598 sound the exact opposite of HE-400 to me.  Too much upper-mids, not enough bass and treble.

^This. The 598 came off as shouty and fatiguing to me. I much prefer the 558, which reigned in those mids and made the sound more balanced and versatile.
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