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post #13831 of 19810
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Originally Posted by mlxx View Post
 

 

Can't say I liked it much before either. Heard it on a Burson 160d and on the Senn amp and didn't like it... but this time it was magic.

 

 

Yeah that's the thing I'm afraid of, having to spend my whole life trying to find an amp that I find the best with the HD800, haha.  Its comfort is really, really great though.

post #13832 of 19810
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Originally Posted by MrMateoHead View Post
 

About 20dB down at 4 khz! Yikes. That phone is more scooped out than the HE-400s and probably is a little too treble light. I would love to hear them, but I would assume they are going to seem a little too rich and polite. However, the relatively flat response from 10hz-1khz is pretty impressive for a dynamic.

 

They are pretty damn good actually.... More like around 8db down but with that random dip there, can't say I noticed it though... To me they were just about right with the frequency response... Maybe could be a couple DB more upper mids and treble... I left the EQ flat on the Momentums except for a small bass boost for EDM.... However the ear cups are tiny and the lack of soundstage and small sound compared to full size headphones ruined it for me.... If they were 50% bigger and had twice the soundstage size they would be around equal with the HE400 for sound quality overall.

post #13833 of 19810
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

There is no contest for me between the HD650 and HD800 either.  HD650 is the much better tonal experience.

+1, though I did like it, it was not what I am looking for.


Edited by Fearless1 - 10/20/13 at 4:32pm
post #13834 of 19810
I definitely didn't hear such a massive drop from mids an up on the Momentum. The graphs make it look like the Momentum has non-existent treble. That's pretty inacurrate. Yes, they're smooth, but they're not deficient or veiled...
post #13835 of 19810

Well a 5-10db dip in the upper mids on innerfidelity graphs is pretty usual as well.  So it's more like their upper mids might be 5db below neutral.

post #13836 of 19810
That sounds more realistic.
post #13837 of 19810

Well I am always fooled also by the way that response is plotted. I forget that, having relatively flat bass through 1 khz should, like the HE-400, even make the phones seem a little 'bass light' at first. Having owned a lot of senns, I also understand that they are not typically deficient in the treble. But they are veiled. Has anyone heard the HD-598s as well? How do those compare? The 598s would probably be my first choice for my next senns, or maybe some used 600s. But I couldn't afford the 700 or 800.

 

What's funny is that my old 428s were in some ways the bassiest, nicest phones ever - so long as they weren't pushed to super high volumes. They were quite veiled for music (which became a deal breaker), but sounded awesome for movies and games. I still like to throw them on for just those reasons.


Edited by MrMateoHead - 10/21/13 at 7:19am
post #13838 of 19810

598 sound the exact opposite of HE-400 to me.  Too much upper-mids, not enough bass and treble.

post #13839 of 19810
I currently own the hifiman he-400's, and the Sennheiser hd650, and Sennheiser hd595, and must admit.....I AM SO IN LOVE WITH MY he-400's!! I agree....the hifiman is completely awesome! I'm looking to sell the hd650, and keep the hd595, and use the hifiman for all my at home listening!! BEST HEADPHONE EVER!! it's worth way more than 400 dollars.....trust me! smily_headphones1.gif
post #13840 of 19810
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

598 sound the exact opposite of HE-400 to me.  Too much upper-mids, not enough bass and treble.

^This. The 598 came off as shouty and fatiguing to me. I much prefer the 558, which reigned in those mids and made the sound more balanced and versatile.
post #13841 of 19810
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Originally Posted by spiderking31 View Post

I currently own the hifiman he-400's, and the Sennheiser hd650, and Sennheiser hd595, and must admit.....I AM SO IN LOVE WITH MY he-400's!! I agree....the hifiman is completely awesome! I'm looking to sell the hd650, and keep the hd595, and use the hifiman for all my at home listening!! BEST HEADPHONE EVER!! it's worth way more than 400 dollars.....trust me! smily_headphones1.gif

 

I would sell the 595 and keep the HD650 and HE400... They are a good combo...

post #13842 of 19810
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Originally Posted by MrMateoHead View Post
 

Well I am always fooled also by the way that response is plotted. I forget that, having relatively flat bass through 1 khz should, like the HE-400, even make the phones seem a little 'bass light' at first. Having owned a lot of senns, I also understand that they are not typically deficient in the treble. But they are veiled. Has anyone heard the HD-598s as well? How do those compare? The 598s would probably be my first choice for my next senns, or maybe some used 600s. But I couldn't afford the 700 or 800.

 

What's funny is that my old 428s were in some ways the bassiest, nicest phones ever - so long as they weren't pushed to super high volumes. They were quite veiled for music (which became a deal breaker), but sounded awesome for movies and games. I still like to throw them on for just those reasons.

 

HD598 are not even in the same league as the HE400.... The HD600 are good if you like relaxing headphones and do not listen to EDM or fast music much.

post #13843 of 19810
Agreed. I'd put the HE-400 in the same league as the HD650, not the HD598. Even my beloved MA900 aren't in the same league as the HE-400 and HD650. Those two are superior cans, though with their imperfections.
post #13844 of 19810
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Agreed. I'd put the HE-400 in the same league as the HD650, not the HD598. Even my beloved MA900 aren't in the same league as the HE-400 and HD650. Those two are superior cans, though with their imperfections.

 

HD600 = (+) Relaxing, natural, best mids (-) slow, no sub bass = Relaxing music, vocals, Films.

 

HE400 = (+) Not relaxing, best bass, good mids, fast (-) sibilance, glare = Fast music, EDM, decent with everything.

 

They make a good combo because they are both very good but completely different.

post #13845 of 19810

Here is my latest experiment in HE400 EQ.... I have made it my mission to get the HE400 as close to perfect as possible using EQ and mods! I am aiming for LCD2 or Momentum type sound as opposed to flat which is what some people might prefer.... If you like a darker sound with sub bass then try this....

 

Low glare, Low sibilance, Good detail, Sub bass with no midbass bloating...

 

 

 

EQ vs stock (with Jergmods)

 

 

Audeze LCD2 Rev2 (the HE400 will not sound like the LCD2 but you get the point)....

 


Edited by nicholars - 10/21/13 at 10:57am
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