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post #13726 of 20386

I don't quite understand why people speak of the dark/ bright signature as something paradoxical -- it's just a variation of the "v-shaped" type of sound signature. Only the trough of the v is more the upper mids than the entire midrange. IMO, pleathers + EQ makes them just dark, and velours makes them bright (I can see how people might disagree about the velours though). 

post #13727 of 20386

Aren't you supposed to EQ down? I see people eqing up alot.

 

 

BTW So far, these, at stock with just pleasures no eq, sound better then my ultrasone pro 550s; just less bass but its more detailed, and alot less soundstage


Edited by renji1337 - 10/17/13 at 10:50am
post #13728 of 20386
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Originally Posted by renji1337 View Post
 

Aren't you supposed to EQ down? I see people eqing up alot.

 

 

BTW So far, these, at stock with just pleasures no eq, sound better then my ultrasone pro 550s; just less bass but its more detailed, and alot less soundstage

 

On the Foobar 31 band EQ it has a feature that normalises the volume.... You see the tick box that says "Auto".... For example if you go 5db above default then it will lower the volume by 5db... Just make sure you check that box.

post #13729 of 20386
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Originally Posted by manbear View Post
 

I don't quite understand why people speak of the dark/ bright signature as something paradoxical -- it's just a variation of the "v-shaped" type of sound signature. Only the trough of the v is more the upper mids than the entire midrange. IMO, pleathers + EQ makes them just dark, and velours makes them bright (I can see how people might disagree about the velours though). 

 

It is a bit loopy on the HE400 compared to most headphones though.... usually they would have increased bass and treble with a dip in the mids.... On the HE400 it is more of a --/\--/\ .... Whatever that is....

post #13730 of 20386
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Originally Posted by moriez View Post
 

 

I am eyeballing the HE-400. Is what you're saying about brightness also the general opinion?

 

They are slightly odd headphones because they have an overall dark sound up until around 8khz where they have a big treble spike which makes them sound bright and quite harsh / sibilant..... Most people agree with this but peoples hearing is different.... If you get the HE400 and spend some time modding the pads and EQ'ing them you can get a very nice sounding pair of headphones... Probably the best for the money, if you look in my profile you can see how many headphones I have owned, also tried a lot in shops etc. The HE400 are my favorite (with mods and EQ, do not like the treble spike at all without EQ / mods).... I also like the Denon D2000 and HD650 depending on music / films / games etc.... For electronic music though I think the HE400 are the best.... Dx000 are good as well for this but they are no longer in production. The bass, mids, speed, seperation, imaging etc. on the HE400 are just so much better than dynamic headphones and also Planars are the only OPEN headphones which can do serious bass as well, most open dynamic headphones have quite poor bass impact and no sub bass.... HE400 has good impact and sub bass as well as sounding open.

 

Very useful info for which I thank you. I need(!) that tight deep bass most of all but should ''never'' be overpowering. What kind of electronic do you listen to so I have a little reference framework.

 

I'm actually leaning towards giving up on headphones as it all did not quite live up to the expectations but this one here opens another door. Also because they are planar which I have not tried yet. With modding the pads you probably mean Jerg pads which tames treble? Furthermore, what's the opinion on HE-400 plus Asgard 2 or Lyr? I don't care for tube rolling but the Lyr could provide a little tube warmth although I wouldn't want too much of that either. My DAC is a Uber-Bi.


Edited by moriez - 10/17/13 at 11:30am
post #13731 of 20386

The HE-400 is great with EDM in general, but I find it particularly amazing with non-house type genres (basically genres that don't have a four-on-the-floor kick drum beat). The bass is so textured and fast that I prefer listening to tunes with complicated bass lines (i.e. glitch hop, DnB, dubstep, etc.). These headphones are the king of DnB; I believe that is not debatable ;) .

post #13732 of 20386
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Very useful info for which I thank you. I need(!) that tight deep bass most of all but should ''never'' be overpowering. What kind of electronic do you listen to so I have a little reference framework.

 

I'm actually leaning towards giving up on headphones as it all did not quite live up to the expectations but this one here opens another door. Also because they are planar which I have not tried yet. With modding the pads you probably mean Jerg pads which tames treble? Furthermore, what's the opinion on HE-400 plus Asgard 2 or Lyr? I don't care for tube rolling by the way but the Lyr could provide a little tube warmth perhaps although I wouldn't want too much of that either. My DAC is a Uber-Bi.

 

Yes you can mod the pads yourself or buy the Jergpads from members "Jerg" or "Modulor"... I modded them myself and they make a big difference to the sound quality, I expect the jergpads are even better.... out of the box I did not even like the HE400 for a few days I thought "these are going on ebay" because I did not like the treble at all.... But with mods and EQ they are the most difference I have heard in a headphone.... NEED to mod the pads and use EQ! Not tried those amps but you do not need a powerful amp with the HE400.... They work very well out of Xonar STX.... If you already have one then it will probably be good but you can run the HE400 from something like a Fiio or STX..... I like drum and bass, trance, hardstyle, dubstep, movie soundtracks etc. All of these genres are awesome on the HE400..... They are good with most genres but excellent for anything eletronic and bassy.

post #13733 of 20386

Aargh, I just really dislike having to make adjustments for a headphone to sound right. Not the practical side but the plain fact that I want all magic to be there straight out of the box. That bothers me big time about headphones at this point. Nevertheless, I am intrigued with this one and when you say "they are good with most genres but excellent for anything eletronic and bassy" I notice my head doing a slow nod of approval :o
 

post #13734 of 20386
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Aargh, I just really dislike having to make adjustments for a headphone to sound right. Not the practical side but the plain fact that I want all magic to be there straight out of the box. That bothers me big time about headphones at this point. Nevertheless, I am intrigued with this one and when you say "they are good with most genres but excellent for anything eletronic and bassy" I notice my head doing a slow nod of approval :o
 

 

Well if you want headphones that sound perfect out of the box then you will have to buy some high end headphones, surprisingly all headphones under about £700 still have at least one major flaw..... I would say the flaw with the HE400 is the treble but at least that can be sorted with EQ and mods..... You cannot mod something like the HD650 to have the sub bass and speed of the HE400.... If you want high end bass, mids, imaging, speed etc. whilst still having an open sounding headphone then the HE400 is pretty much the only headphone under £600 that can do that.... The treble sounds pretty good when setup right with the right music... But it is the weak part of the sound compared to the other bits....

 

Here is a pretty good review where they are compared to other high ends and get a A+ for value....

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/634201/battle-of-the-flagships-58-headphones-compared-update-audeze-lcd-2-revision-2-6-4-13


Edited by nicholars - 10/17/13 at 12:14pm
post #13735 of 20386

Just FYI I never sell any modded pads, I just provide the mod technique.

post #13736 of 20386
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Originally Posted by moriez View Post
 

Aargh, I just really dislike having to make adjustments for a headphone to sound right. Not the practical side but the plain fact that I want all magic to be there straight out of the box. That bothers me big time about headphones at this point. Nevertheless, I am intrigued with this one and when you say "they are good with most genres but excellent for anything eletronic and bassy" I notice my head doing a slow nod of approval :o
 

Great out of the box with no EQ, no major amping requirements and good with most genres but excellent for anything electronic and bassy = TH600

post #13737 of 20386
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Great out of the box with no EQ, no major amping requirements and good with most genres but excellent for anything electronic and bassy = TH600

 

= £750


Edited by nicholars - 10/17/13 at 1:03pm
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= £750

Well yes, there is that :D

 

Pricejapan.com to U.S. was $809 new last I checked.

post #13739 of 20386

Thanks guys. Anyone with experience with Asgard 2 or Lyr for the HE-400 post your impressions please.

 

@ethan, your're killing me! If I could play along in that price range yes I would :biggrin: 

Edit: Price to Europe €602. That ain't horrible but still I frown upon.


Edited by moriez - 10/17/13 at 1:14pm
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Originally Posted by ethan7000 View Post
 

Well yes, there is that :D

 

Pricejapan.com to U.S. was $809 new last I checked.

 

Do you know how much they cost to the UK?

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