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post #13711 of 20484
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

Yes I agree, looking at the FR graph it *should* make the HE400 sound better by boosting the 2-6khz but to my ears it does not sound right.... I think it is because this was how the headphones were designed to sound. I lower >8khz but leave the rest flat because for some reason the mids just sound *wrong* when changed (to me anyway) ... I just accept that the HE400 has dark upper mids and enjoy it for what it is... Might give EQ'ing the upper mids another try but when I have tried it before it seems to mess up the sound too much whereas EQ >8khz removes the sibilance and tizz nicely without causing any problems if you do it right...


Could you maybe post your EQ preset because I too like the mids the way they are.

post #13712 of 20484
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

 

Hmmm what? Like this you mean? LOL

 

:D

post #13713 of 20484

I've found that around an additional 5-6db at 5khz is about neutral for the HE-400.  2khz is pretty fine default, but maybe could use a bump of around 1-2 db rise.  3-4khz could use a rise between 2 and 6db.  10db raise at 6khz makes them sound like an HD700, if that's your thing.


Edited by TMRaven - 10/17/13 at 5:47am
post #13714 of 20484
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

I've found that around an additional 5-6db at 5khz is about neutral for the HE-400.  2khz is pretty fine default, but maybe could use a bump of around 1-2 db rise.  3-4khz could use a rise between 2 and 6db.  10db raise at 6khz makes them sound like an HD700, if that's your thing.


This is what I make of it, please don't laugh.

 

 

post #13715 of 20484
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Originally Posted by Textfeud View Post


This is what I make of it, please don't laugh.



I really think it depends on music genre. The 400 is my electronic music hp, so I bump 30Hz a bit and then do a moderate rolloff after 4kHz.
post #13716 of 20484
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Originally Posted by Textfeud View Post
 


Could you maybe post your EQ preset because I too like the mids the way they are.

 

Something like this sounds good to me with electronic music.... I am a bit of a basshead.... That amount of treble EQ removes most of the tizz / sibilance and you do not lose much detail.  Change the amount of bass and treble depending how much you like... Also depending on the quality of the recording / mp3... I dont like sibilance...

 

 

Here is an even more EQ'd version for uber bass and smooth treble.... Might look like a lot but it's good if the recording is bad or the mp3 low bitrate.... The HE400 still sound brighter than something like HD650, even with this much EQ....

 

 

 

lol....


Edited by nicholars - 10/17/13 at 7:39am
post #13717 of 20484
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

 

Something like this sounds good to me with electronic music.... I am a bit of a basshead.... That amount of treble EQ removes most of the tizz / sibilance and you do not lose much detail.  Change the amount of bass and treble depending how much you like... Also depending on the quality of the recording / mp3... I dont like sibilance...

 

Earlier I thought the roll off from 8K and upwards had huge detail loss in the treble, however when I add 3-4 db in the 2k-4k region, it brings out the detail in the treble (or upper midrange, whatever you wanna call it) that I really enjoy. I don't think the sonic information in the 8K region and above is very important anyways. Let me know if I'm wrong

post #13718 of 20484
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Originally Posted by mogulmaster View Post
 

Earlier I thought the roll off from 8K and upwards had huge detail loss in the treble, however when I add 3-4 db in the 2k-4k region, it brings out the detail in the treble (or upper midrange, whatever you wanna call it) that I really enjoy. I don't think the sonic information in the 8K region and above is very important anyways. Let me know if I'm wrong

The best way to tell is to take 8k and above all the way down to zero and see if you like it. When I originally bought the HE-400, I did something similar to this but over time I grew fond of the treble energy; it just makes everything sound more crisp.

post #13719 of 20484
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Originally Posted by mogulmaster View Post
 

Earlier I thought the roll off from 8K and upwards had huge detail loss in the treble, however when I add 3-4 db in the 2k-4k region, it brings out the detail in the treble (or upper midrange, whatever you wanna call it) that I really enjoy. I don't think the sonic information in the 8K region and above is very important anyways. Let me know if I'm wrong

 

Well the HE400 have a big treble spike above about 7.5khz which makes them sound very bright and harsh to me with no EQ.... Yes you do lose some detail and the harmonics a bit with that EQ I posted, but to my ears that is preferable to sibilance and ear pain..... I do not like the sound of the treble on these headphones much... But I like everything else a lot.... The bass, mids, speed etc.... They do not sound dark to me even with that much EQ... actually the treble sounds pretty good to me when it is like that. Try it, you might like it.... But give it a couple of hours to get used to it and it will sound normal... Then if you go back to the flat EQ and they will sound very bright and harsh.... If you like the treble and the sibilance / harshness does not bother you then you can EQ it less..... Personally I get ear pain if I do not EQ the treble down.... Ideally the HE400 would have perfect treble as well, but you can't get everything for the money. I think the bass and mids and pretty much everything else on this headphone is awesome.... But the treble is much too bright without EQ. You can EQ up the area from 1.5khz > 6khz as well if you want more upper mids....

post #13720 of 20484
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post
 

The best way to tell is to take 8k and above all the way down to zero and see if you like it. When I originally bought the HE-400, I did something similar to this but over time I grew fond of the treble energy; it just makes everything sound more crisp.

 

Yes I did this as well.... But I have got it now so there is some of that crispness and I can listen at decent volume without hurting my ears too much, I found it is very dependant on the recording and mp3 quality so I have a setting for good quality and a smoother setting for bad recordings or low bitrate Mp3.... When you first switch from the default EQ to reduced treble they might sound like you are missing some treble but once you get used to it then it sounds better and no ear pain..... These headphones have a LOT of treble around 8-16khz so even with a lot of EQ they still don't sound dark or muffled compared to a lot of headphones I have owned.... Even with that 8db reduction in the treble they are crisper and brighter than the HD650. I recommend that you reduce the treble and then give it a few hours / days to get used to it... Then go back to the default EQ and it will sound bright...

post #13721 of 20484
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post


 The HE400 still sound brighter than something like HD650, even with this much EQ....

 

I am eyeballing the HE-400. Is what you're saying about brightness also the general opinion?

post #13722 of 20484

Frequency response of the HE400......

 

That treble spike at 7.5-16khz is around 5-10db higher than the upper midrange so reducing it by 4-8db is effectively giving you a flat response from 1.5khz > 16khz.... This will give you a lot of bass and lower mids and slightly dark but even upper mids and treble..... Works pretty well.... Depends if you like bright headphones or not... Personally I DO NOT like the treble of these headphones with no EQ but when EQ they sound pretty good, still crisp and detailed compared to a lot of headphones but not too bright.....

 

post #13723 of 20484
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Originally Posted by moriez View Post
 

 

I am eyeballing the HE-400. Is what you're saying about brightness also the general opinion?

Nah, they are mostly dark except for that 10k spike. which is why people describe them as bright. 

 

Btw my 3db increase in 2k-4k region makes female vocals and guitars more natural sounding. first thing i noticed after coming from the hd650 was the bit of artificial sound some instruments and vocals had. It's not bad though. But the 650 is a super lush natural sounding HP. 

post #13724 of 20484
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Originally Posted by moriez View Post
 

 

I am eyeballing the HE-400. Is what you're saying about brightness also the general opinion?

Yes. These are overall dark headphones with a LOT of treble energy making them seem somewhat bright despite the upper mid recession.

post #13725 of 20484
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Originally Posted by moriez View Post
 

 

I am eyeballing the HE-400. Is what you're saying about brightness also the general opinion?

 

They are slightly odd headphones because they have an overall dark sound up until around 8khz where they have a big treble spike which makes them sound bright and quite harsh / sibilant..... Most people agree with this but peoples hearing is different.... If you get the HE400 and spend some time modding the pads and EQ'ing them you can get a very nice sounding pair of headphones... Probably the best for the money, if you look in my profile you can see how many headphones I have owned, also tried a lot in shops etc. The HE400 are my favorite (with mods and EQ, do not like the treble spike at all without EQ / mods).... I also like the Denon D2000 and HD650 depending on music / films / games etc.... For electronic music though I think the HE400 are the best.... Dx000 are good as well for this but they are no longer in production. The bass, mids, speed, seperation, imaging etc. on the HE400 are just so much better than dynamic headphones and also Planars are the only OPEN headphones which can do serious bass as well, most open dynamic headphones have quite poor bass impact and no sub bass.... HE400 has good impact and sub bass as well as sounding open.


Edited by nicholars - 10/17/13 at 8:16am
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