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post #13696 of 19813
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

 

Problem with the HE500 is you need to factor in an amplifier as well. So it will be more like £1000 for both, I am sure the HE500 is better (not heard it) but for value for money the HE400.. I doubt that your Fiio setup will "cut the mustard" with the HE500...

I don't know about this -- the e9 def has enough power for any headphone. Certainly better amps would sound better, but I'd bet the 500 + e9 would sound better than 400 + e9

post #13697 of 19813
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Originally Posted by mogulmaster View Post
 

I don't know about this -- the e9 def has enough power for any headphone. Certainly better amps would sound better, but I'd bet the 500 + e9 would sound better than 400 + e9

 

Not sure, all I know is that from looking in the HE500 thread, people seem to think they need a powerful amp.... e9 is not very powerful, just saying.... Maybe it will sound better I have not tried it, but to get the most out of them it seems people are using things such as emotiva minix or other powerful amps....

post #13698 of 19813
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Originally Posted by mogulmaster View Post
 

I don't know about this -- the e9 def has enough power for any headphone. Certainly better amps would sound better, but I'd bet the 500 + e9 would sound better than 400 + e9


e9 is not strong enough for planars besides the he-400 if you want to hear them driven well.

post #13699 of 19813
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^^ I would agree with this. 

post #13700 of 19813

Anyone using HE-400 with Amarra and have some good EQ presets for me? I'm new to Amarra and EQ'ing. I bought Amarar Hifi so I could use it with iTunes EQ but it doesn't work with custom presets. So now I'm going to try out Amarra! I want the HE-400 balanced.

post #13701 of 19813

I think all that amarra does is compress the sounds or something. -- I don't use it anymore because I think it was causing clipping or some kind of distortion that hurt my ears. Plus iTunes is so much more nimble without it. gapless and such

post #13702 of 19813
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Originally Posted by Textfeud View Post
 

Anyone using HE-400 with Amarra and have some good EQ presets for me? I'm new to Amarra and EQ'ing. I bought Amarar Hifi so I could use it with iTunes EQ but it doesn't work with custom presets. So now I'm going to try out Amarra! I want the HE-400 balanced.

Look at the curve that jerg posted for the HE-400 measurements on stock pads for reference. Basically, to be "balanced", you need to bring up the recessed region by 10dB.

post #13703 of 19813
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post
 

Look at the curve that jerg posted for the HE-400 measurements on stock pads for reference. Basically, to be "balanced", you need to bring up the recessed region by 10dB.


The thing is I know a straight line is good and curves are bad, but I don't know how to do it. I'm pretty much an EQ moron. I need it spelled out. :(

post #13704 of 19813
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Originally Posted by Textfeud View Post


The thing is I know a straight line is good and curves are bad, but I don't know how to do it. I'm pretty much an EQ moron. I need it spelled out. frown.gif

Me too.
post #13705 of 19813

Someone spell it out for us. :tongue: I need my balanced EQ on Amarra. :D

post #13706 of 19813
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post
 

Look at the curve that jerg posted for the HE-400 measurements on stock pads for reference. Basically, to be "balanced", you need to bring up the recessed region by 10dB.

 

Hmmm what? Like this you mean? LOL

 


Edited by nicholars - 10/16/13 at 2:50pm
post #13707 of 19813
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Originally Posted by Textfeud View Post
 

Someone spell it out for us. :tongue: I need my balanced EQ on Amarra. :D

 

hahahahah your sig picture made me laugh :D

post #13708 of 19813

Crazy Mario, gotta love him. :D

post #13709 of 19813

You want it you got it -

 

Staring at a frequency response chart and trying to set your EQ properly is not necessarily the best way to go about trying to get a "flat" response. For one thing, audio measurements occur under controlled conditions (typically then averaged, meaning a different result occurs at each measure); a person sitting on a bus or at home is making adjustments much more "randomly". You certainly are not being precise, since your are limited in part by the quality of your equipment, and the accuracy of the chart you are staring at. I at least have no idea at all whether or not easy-EQ accurately gives me the curve I am looking for. It is a bit of a crap shoot.

 

Secondly, it is likely that enough variation in one's perception and sensitivity to various frequencies (AND recording quality for that matter) makes EQing a partly 'custom' endeavor and not a 'universal' one. I am convinced for example, via car audio, that atmospherics play a role. My systems always have seemed to sound better on foggy nights, worse on bitter cold nights. Bad time to make adjustments either way. Also, I don't think I can hear under 30-40hz or over 14-15khz so why bother screwing with frequencies at those extremes? Maybe you can, so making adjustments there is critical to your enjoyment. But I believe that perception is a big limiting factor, and using the wrong recordings can encourage excess boost or cut.

 

Thirdly, when frequency response is measured, it is sometimes done to report frequency response within a certain range. For example, speaker A does 50hz-15khz + or - 2dB, Speaker B does 40hz-20khz + or - 6.4 dB. Speaker A is relatively "flat", because frequencies typically stay within a range of what would not really be audible, where speaker B would like have peaks or dips that should be quite audible and depending on where they are, distracting, fatiguing, or possibly fun (big bass). I am not aware that there is a broad consensus as to the optimal headphone frequency response. I assume that flatter is better, but getting 'flat' is different with phones.

 

That said, lots of headphones 'roll off' bass and treble extremes or otherwise seem to have odd response curves. When looking at the HE-400 curve, what is most apparent is that it is quite flat through the range (20hz - 10khz). The big "scoop" is between 2khz-6khz, but lots of headphones "scoop" this area as well to different degrees. It is where a lot of sibilance I don't like can be found, so I consider it a good thing. But when looking at charts of "warmer phones", I expect to see relatively flat response curves with rolling off starting somewhere in the 2-4 khz range. Or, basically, a downward sloping line starting at bass and dropping through the midrange and treble.

 

The General Rule I use for EQ is always to look for a peak to 'cut', not a trough to 'boost'. If I wanted more sub-bass with the HE-400, I would consider cuts in the 100-500 hz range. If the treble is killing you, focus on around 8-10 khz. Admittedly, the HE-400 gives a profile that is not easy to EQ, since it looks like it needs a big boost in the 2khz-6khz area, not cuts in bass or high frequencies. But for best results, I find that cutting 8-10khz region and again around 14khz by about 2-4 db makes the overall sound better for my ears.

post #13710 of 19813

Yes I agree, looking at the FR graph it *should* make the HE400 sound better by boosting the 2-6khz but to my ears it does not sound right.... I think it is because this was how the headphones were designed to sound. I lower >8khz but leave the rest flat because for some reason the mids just sound *wrong* when changed (to me anyway) ... I just accept that the HE400 has dark upper mids and enjoy it for what it is... Might give EQ'ing the upper mids another try but when I have tried it before it seems to mess up the sound too much whereas EQ >8khz removes the sibilance and tizz nicely without causing any problems if you do it right...

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