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post #13576 of 18659
Less bass = more mids or treble
More bass = less mids or treble


and so forth...


In the case of the HE-400 pleather vs velour

Velour = more upper mids, meaning that to our ears, something else isn't as pronounced, even if it's technically the same. That can either be less perceived bass, or less perceived treble. Some are saying less bass. That is understandable, though it's actually the same bass as before, just the upper mids are meeting up with the bass. Some say less perceived treble glare. That is also understandable, as the transition from mids to treble isn't as steep.

It really depends on what your ears are focusing on. Either way, the main change is the upper mids. If you change your volume to volume match the upper mids of the pleather vs velour... the pleather will sound both more bassy and sharper on the treble.

Because the upper mids are so recessed on the HE-400's pleather, I can totally see why some of you say the pleather has more bass. You're compensating the lack of upper mids with volume. I'm surprised the treble isn't destroying your ears.


I've heard the HE-400 enough. I owned it twice. There is no comparison to me. The pleather is a mess next to the velour, but if a mask of veil is what you like, then yes, the pleather is easier on the ears. Everything is more muddy on the pleather.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/13/13 at 12:59am
post #13577 of 18659
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Less bass = more mids or treble
More bass = less mids or treble


and so forth...


In the case of the HE-400 pleather vs velour

Velour = more upper mids, meaning that to our ears, something else isn't as pronounced, even if it's technically the same. That can either be less perceived bass, or less perceived treble. Some are saying less bass. That is understandable, though it's actually the same bass as before, just the upper mids are meeting up with the bass. Some say less perceived treble glare. That is also understandable, as the transition from mids to treble isn't as steep.

It really depends on what your ears are focusing on. Either way, the main change is the upper mids. If you change your volume to volume match the upper mids of the pleather vs velour... the pleather will sound both more bassy and sharper on the treble.

Because the upper mids are so recessed on the HE-400's pleather, I can totally see why some of you say the pleather has more bass. You're compensating the lack of upper mids with volume. I'm surprised the treble isn't destroying your ears.


I've heard the HE-400 enough. I owned it twice. There is no comparison to me. The pleather is a mess next to the velour, but if a mask of veil is what you like, then yes, the pleather is easier on the ears. Everything is more muddy on the pleather.

 

I never change the volume when I switch between the pleathers and velours.

post #13578 of 18659
Got the velours in and liking the sound so far. Jergpads are being made by modulor and should be here next month!
Edited by Soundsgoodtome - 10/13/13 at 1:34am
post #13579 of 18659
Let me know if you've got any more questions, I'll try my best to answer. I'm really enjoying the setup and want to try the he500 with the D100 in the future.

I've really been looking at the Audio-gd lineup to see if I can get something going for both 400 and 500. Maybe something that can be easily modified with chips to different sounds.
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Originally Posted by JBal4 View Post

I was wondering if anyone had any experience with the matrix mini-i and the he400. I am looking to change up my amp/dac because I would like to see if there is a difference in treble(less). I also liked the option of balancing since I have heard that it improves the sq. another that I looked into wasthe yulong d100 mkii. any opinions/advice?

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D100s don't pair well with the he400. Too bright for my taste, although for classical and acoustic it's ok. Excellent detail retrieval. Any other genres its too bright. Great match for warmer HPs and even the DT880s.

The matrix Mini-I straight from the dac is a good pairing. The mini has a warm sound and the he400 does well. I find that the mini-I with the e9 as an amp produce a very favorable sound of a nice balance in warmth and brightness. Luscious warmth is the best way i can describe it. A little loss in the soundstage dept (vs using the mini-I's built in amp) but nothing major. Be sure to use the optical or coaxial side of the mini-I. A cheap transport would be the Hifimediy Usb 2 async with optical out for $60. Huge gain in SQ vs the laptops optical out.

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Originally Posted by JBal4 View Post

If i am using a laptop with cd quality tunes(16/44.1) what is the difference of using a usb vs using a converter to go to optical? Also just wondering why you suggest using a seperate amp, is the matrix amp not very good?

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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post

USB jitter and the Mini not being async. Quite an audible difference specially on a lower quality pc. It's not just a matter of matching cd quality to a cd quality rated transport. The async usb to optical or coaxial would be a good upgrade for the mini-I, even the budget brand I mentioned.

The amp on the mini-I is decent although can be too warm for my liking on certain songs. Sinatra sounds fantasic along with r&b, motown, acoustics, and music that benefit from a warm and laid back sound. Hard rock, edm, pop, etc can benefit from a more neutral amp using the mini-I as a dac. Again this is my taste, head over to the mini-I appreciation thread and you'll see other peoples opinion on it. Never found one that paired it to he400 however.

Edited by Soundsgoodtome - 10/13/13 at 1:43am
post #13580 of 18659
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Originally Posted by Soundsgoodtome View Post
I've really been looking at the Audio-gd lineup to see if I can get something going for both 400 and 500. Maybe something that can be easily modified with chips to different sounds.

Audio-gd Compass 2 8741? It makes more sense to go with the warmer Wolfson chips one ($429) and then move to (or buy same time)the high-detail ESS chip if need-be vs buying stock ESS model ($499) from the get-go....then you have the OPA upgrades as well for even more dial-in... Earth/Moon/Sun modules

 

That is one tweakable DAC/amp !


Edited by Lohb - 10/13/13 at 3:08am
post #13581 of 18659
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The same reasons many companies use things that the community deems inferior and get modded to hell and back. Lack of R&D and extensive testing, perhaps. They probably focused on the actual drivers, and less on the pads. I mean if you look at the HE-4 pads... the mechanism to attach them is THE WORST THING EVER. I mean, WTF were they thinking?

 

I hear you there 

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Originally Posted by MunkyNutz View Post
 

Audio-gd Compass 2 8741? It makes more sense to go with the warmer Wolfson chips one ($429) and then move to (or buy same time)the high-detail ESS chip if need-be vs buying stock ESS model ($499) from the get-go....then you have the OPA upgrades as well for even more dial-in... Earth/Moon/Sun modules

 

That is one tweakable DAC/amp !

 

I honestly like NOS and PCM dacs the best, both of my hifiman DAPS have the nicest sound signiture! The AGD 1oES2 with with ESS Sabre 9018 is great with my Dt 880 and HE 400 but it makes the w1000x to thin, the w1000x how ever sounds a smidge heavier and a little warmer SE out of the HM 801 and pb1, that said I hope to move to a Refrance 10.33 at some point my self

 

still wish I'd know about the compass 2 when I got my M Stage :/ 

post #13582 of 18659

Stock pleather vs velour is a bit pointless because you need to just mod the pads or buy some jergpads and they are far better than both. You would be silly not to either mod the pads or buy jergpads because it makes a big difference to the quality and is not that hard to do.

post #13583 of 18659
Thread Starter 

I find that the pleather is quite inferior to to the velour. The velour pales in comparison to the jergpads. 

 

I've to decided to jump back into camp hifiman. Ordered the he-4 on Saturday from Justin at headamp for $350 NIB. I may not understand what hp or signature works for all people but I have learned a few things about myself. And one is that comfort reigns supreme over everything in the end. I have lusted over the lcd2 for a year now after auditioning them. Then about six months ago I had an opportunity to purchase a pair for $600 mint. I lost sleep over  that decision. Ultimately they would have been too heavy, clamped too much and gotten little head time. I have almost bought the he500, again...but would have given up on it for basically the same reasons. 

 

The he-4 is light enough for me to enjoy for hours at a time. The jergpads work nicely with them. With a little hardware EQ they are an oustanding hp and gets me back to that visceral bass impact and planar sound that I've missed with my hd650. About 60% of the music that I listen to work works very well with the hd650. But I'd love to have the he-4 for that other 40%. 

 

Hifiman would be remiss to overlook the effects/advantages of the jergpads. Of course it will never happen. All those who have performed the full mod realize that it's a fair amount of work. I'm sure that hifiman knows this as well. But how nice would it be to see them incorporate the pad design into the all new 2014 he450? :veryevil:

post #13584 of 18659

If MLE is a +1 for velours, and I am another vote for velours-- and if I add in David Mahler's vote for Velours :veryevil:, then the vote is now:

 

 Pleathers: 1

Velours: 5

 

 

In other news, Matt is MLE 2.0  :D

post #13585 of 18659
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

If MLE is a +1 for velours, and I am another vote for velours-- and if I add in David Mahler's vote for Velours :veryevil:, then the vote is now:

 

 Pleathers: 1

Velours: 5

 

 

In other news, Matt is MLE 2.0  :D

 

haha...I consider that a compliment. :tongue:

post #13586 of 18659
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

If MLE is a +1 for velours, and I am another vote for velours-- and if I add in David Mahler's vote for Velours :veryevil:, then the vote is now:

 

 Pleathers: 1

Velours: 5

 

 

In other news, Matt is MLE 2.0  :D

Actually Matt is -1 pleathers, 0 velours, +1 modified pleathers. (or 0 pleathers, +1 velours, +2 modified pleathers; whichever tally works lol)

post #13587 of 18659

Notch another one in favor of velours, no comparison imo.

post #13588 of 18659
That's the one I had my eye on. I was thinking of the 11.32 until I realized the flexiBility of the compass 2.
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Originally Posted by MunkyNutz View Post

Audio-gd Compass 2 8741? It makes more sense to go with the warmer Wolfson chips one ($429) and then move to (or buy same time)the high-detail ESS chip if need-be vs buying stock ESS model ($499) from the get-go....then you have the OPA upgrades as well for even more dial-in... Earth/Moon/Sun modules

That is one tweakable DAC/amp !
post #13589 of 18659
+1 for the velours here, too. I'm excited about receiving my modded jergpads from Modulor though!
post #13590 of 18659

I wish I had the skills to do the jergmod >_<

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