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post #13441 of 17757
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

 

Yeah I listen to more recorded music (instrumental/rock/vocal/the whole shebang) and in those cases the "openness" of sound is really important because they help define the exact 3D imaging of things, as well as plain ol' "how real ___ sounds" in terms of imaging. The difference between hearing a very realistic rendition of something 10 ft away from you, vs hearing an obviously re-produced attempt at imaging something 10 ft away from you, is huge to me.

 

With the vast majority of synthetic music, that trait is negligible I suppose, because there is no "realism" reference point for you to compare the reproduced music against.

 

Exactly. The timbre on the HE-400 is definitely unnatural sounding to my ears, but the speed and detail (not to mention the drool-worthy bass distortion) is huge for these headphones. Like you said, synthetic sounds are, well, synthetic. That said, the HE-400 becomes the number 1 contender for EDM under $400 IMO/IME. Though, all this recent HE-4 talk has really sparked my interest... :mad:

post #13442 of 17757

I don't really think openness has anything to do with timbre though.

post #13443 of 17757
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

I don't really think openness has anything to do with timbre though.

 

No, I agree. The openness doesn't matter to me because of my genre choice, then jerg pointed out that if you aren't listening to recorded music, there isn't a reference for the openness or realism of the sound. I only brought up timbre to further emphasize how great these headphones are for my specific genres. Sorry, re-reading that is somewhat confusing. :rolleyes:


Edited by Thujone - 10/8/13 at 11:40am
post #13444 of 17757
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

I don't really think openness has anything to do with timbre though.

 

Not timbre, just sheer openness. An analogy is having your ears completely open to air, vs having cupped hands over them (though open vents vs not is obviously much smaller of an effect, it's the similar effect).

post #13445 of 17757
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post

Exactly. The timbre on the HE-400 is definitely unnatural sounding to my ears, but the speed and detail (not to mention the drool-worthy bass distortion) is huge for these headphones. Like you said, synthetic sounds are, well, synthetic. That said, the HE-400 becomes the number 1 contender for EDM under $400 IMO/IME. Though, all this recent HE-4 talk has really sparked my interest... mad.gif

I don't find the HE-4 to do EDM better than the HE-400, but it does everything else better, since it's more balanced and airy. The HE-400 has a deepness/rawness to it's bass that the HE-4 doesn't touch (though it has fantastic bass extension)
post #13446 of 17757
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


I don't find the HE-4 to do EDM better than the HE-400, but it does everything else better, since it's more balanced and airy. The HE-400 has a deepness/rawness to it's bass that the HE-4 doesn't touch (though it has fantastic bass extension)

 

Good to hear, although I'm  having mixed feelings about the possibility of having to sell my HE 400 for a He 500 with JergPads, xD that means more money I'll have to spend in the future. But man those graphs look awesome... although... does the HE 500 with JergPads sound as THICK as the HE 400 with Pleathers? I might opt for Open Vented Pads

 

Or... I enjoy the J$money He 400... might as well stick with that, till I hear how the LCD X sounds, let's hope it has LCD 3 bass and some treble finally! [or I'll save up for an LCD 3]

post #13447 of 17757
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

 

Good to hear, although I'm  having mixed feelings about the possibility of having to sell my HE 400 for a He 500 with JergPads, xD that means more money I'll have to spend in the future. But man those graphs look awesome... although... does the HE 500 with JergPads sound as THICK as the HE 400 with Pleathers? I might opt for Open Vented Pads

 

Or... I enjoy the J$money He 400... might as well stick with that, till I hear how the LCD X sounds, let's hope it has LCD 3 bass and some treble finally! [or I'll save up for an LCD 3]

HE500 sounds thicker/lusher than HE400 by default (just a difference in the driver tuning). HE400 has a leaner bass, leaner midrange, leaner treble. HE500 with the full Jergpads (including the outer port holes and open vents) still sounds a fair bit lusher and more at-ease than HE400 with stock pleathers. 

 

HE500 + velours though gets a bit too bright and thin IMO. It becomes as fatiguing as HE400s (quite bright up top), but with a thinner bottom end than HE400; as you might imagine, not great.

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What does lean mean in sound? Never really got that one.

post #13449 of 17757
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post
 

What does lean mean in sound? Never really got that one.

It means less or in some cases thinner.

post #13450 of 17757
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

HE500 sounds thicker/lusher than HE400 by default (just a difference in the driver tuning). HE400 has a leaner bass, leaner midrange, leaner treble. HE500 with the full Jergpads (including the outer port holes and open vents) still sounds a fair bit lusher and more at-ease than HE400 with stock pleathers. 

 

HE500 + velours though gets a bit too bright and thin IMO. It becomes as fatiguing as HE400s (quite bright up top), but with a thinner bottom end than HE400; as you might imagine, not great.


I must disagree here. I don't find the HE-500 with the velours fatiguing at all, nor thin. It sounds fuller/thicker than the HE-400 actually. Of course, that's my opinion. Since we all hear things differently, YMMV.


Edited by Okamoto - 10/9/13 at 3:34am
post #13451 of 17757
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Originally Posted by J Mirra View Post
 

It means less or in some cases thinner.

 

I like the word delicate, there is a THIN line between Lean and delicate an thin. 

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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post
 


I must disagree here. I don't find the HE-500 with the velours fatiguing at all, nor thin. It sounds fuller/thicker than the HE-400 actually. Of course, that's my opinion. Since we all hear things differently, YMMV.

Indeed 

post #13452 of 17757
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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post


I must disagree here. I don't find the HE-500 with the velours fatiguing at all, nor thin. It sounds fuller/thicker than the HE-400 actually. Of course, that's my opinion. Since we all hear things differently, YMMV.

I'm in the same boat the he500 with velour doesn't sound fatiguing like the he400. The he500 mids sounds thicker and the treble is smooth, this is of the lyr.
post #13453 of 17757
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Originally Posted by soundeffect View Post
 
 
I'm in the same boat the he500 with velour doesn't sound fatiguing like the he400. The he500 mids sounds thicker and the treble is smooth, this is of the lyr.

 

wow thicker mids... yea I think I'll pass q.q the HE 400

 

also some bad news guys... I might need a second Pair of J$Money Pads... I need a closed BASS Head can... and I think using the J$money on the W1000x will give it some SERIOUS bass [if it makes the Dt 880 a bass machine... should work even more so with a closed back dynamic right?]

 

Any one have any thoughts and an extra pair for sale ;3 

post #13454 of 17757

Get the jergpads for your HE-400. Problem solved.

post #13455 of 17757
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Originally Posted by Textfeud View Post
 

Get the jergpads for your HE-400. Problem solved.

 

BUT OH wait, then my HE 400 sounds to thick, did you forget that I hated pleather and I like the THIN COLD sound of the J$money Pads

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