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post #12826 of 18683
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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post
 


Funnily enough, I found exactly the opposite. To me the HE-500 bass has more strength, punch, which makes it a better can for EDM, Rap and other bass-oriented genres. The HE-400 on the other hand has a somewhat "cleaner" bass, which can be explained by the lower distortion on measurements. Also, I found the HE-500 to be more forgiving on poorer records, due to the more recessed treble compared to HE-400.

 

I still find HE400s with the stronger bass punch, it is more tactile than HE500's bass because of lower distortion values.

 

HE500s have bigger-sounding and more "complete" bass, however, which I think should be distinguished from a stronger-hitting bass. The 500s extend lower and seem to have higher resolution / texture in the low frequencies despite the higher distortion relative to 400s.

post #12827 of 18683
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

I have noticed that on lower volumes the HE400 is not actually that fatiguing.... I think I have been listening too loud.... Also I have separate EQ for high and low quality recordings / Mp3....

 

 

If I keep the volume moderate then I only need to EQ the treble by about 3-5db and this loses almost no details whilst pretty much removing any harshness, hmmm all my other headphones sound a bit low-fi now compared to the HE400, the bass... mids... seperation.... speed.... hell... I think even the treble is growing on me! My next upgrade will be another hifi-man I think they are my new favorite brand....

 

As much as I complained about it, the treble is definitely growing on me as well. The downside is, like you said, everything else sounds so slow and muddy in comparison!

post #12828 of 18683

Oh man, tese Hifiman cans are a mess of options! I might honestly upgrade my Dt 880 with an HE 4 before I dive into the T 90, a new HE 400 is as much as a used T90 [and I'm going with an AUdio GD 10es2 to address any power issues] still though I might not as I'm planning to use my Dt 880 portably as I did with my old Pro 250 [got a Pb1 for balanced dt 880]

 

So the T90 seems a logical step for it's easier to drive nature, and I can take the treble spike just fine. I've +5 boosted my Dt 990 a dozen times and the only issue it has is it's lack of mids lol [lack of mids while being treble boosted]

 

So i guess that's nice, to have that out of the way

 

the only issue now is for EDM... the He 400 or He 500... most likely the HE 400, seeing as it's cheaper and a little more V shaped, but it's great to hear the 5LE is cleaner, and the HE 500 like an upgrade to the HD 600 [not a can I care to own as I prefer laid back closed cans] 

 

and once again! It's a shame that I didn't find out about the HE 4 sooner although frankly it would not be too useful for me at this moment. I can't b portable, something even the dt 880 600 can do out of a balanced amp for sure

 

 

Still got a seler for J Money Padded HE 400s :D so once i get mah next pay check I'll give em a listen ^^ so I'm excited 

 

Although I'm finding that I am not a big lossy person and EQ is not my fav either... I find more joy in modding over fiddleing with eq, for example my w1000x sounds bad with eq, my newly modded Sound Magic Hp 100 [with w1000x stock pads] sounds... bad with eq after the new pads [which added some bass and gave the mids a push forward while widening and deepening the whole sound stage] and honestly... 

 

that said... I'm not a lossy fan either... listening to some di.fm... I'm not at all a fan of their 256kbs streaming... it just sounds bad >.> thankfully I found Deep Vibes radio, which stream 320k which is nice 

 

any one know a good 16bit streaming radio that's maybe like $50 a year? [like $5 a month]

 

xD oh the joy of of audio phildelity! can't even enjoy edm without at least 320k *sigh* and the best part my teachers for my PC class have espressed extreme distaste for external dacs [which does not help lossy] let's hope my Hm 801 will fool them ... you know I bet the Hm 801 n he 400 will sound nice to :O those thick hifiman Dap Mids and the rolled off treble of the Hifiman players should pair nice with their headphones :D


Edited by Mshenay - 9/16/13 at 12:45pm
post #12829 of 18683

Well the HE500 looks like the better headphone, but the HE400 are good for EDM and half the price.... If you have the money I would get the HE500 but if you are on a budget the HE400 are good for that genre.

post #12830 of 18683
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

Well the HE500 looks like the better headphone, but the HE400 are good for EDM and half the price.... If you have the money I would get the HE500 but if you are on a budget the HE400 are good for that genre.

 

I was hoping to go he 500 for my dt 880 replacement but an He 4 or T90 seems smarter [might end up with both for the hell of it] leaving the HE 400 as the EDM headphone. I think it will meet my expectations

post #12831 of 18683

I can't get passed the fact that you want to buy new headphones that  you've never heard before and you want to try them with pads that were designed for a completely different headphone line purely because they are comfy. Pads affect the sound signature immensely. Much much more than the differences between 256kbps and 320kbps which you can apparently distinguish. I would at least make sure that you get a pair of stock pleathers to go with them!


Edited by Thujone - 9/16/13 at 1:58pm
post #12832 of 18683
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I found the he500 an outstanding hp and great for most music. Ultimately like the lcd2, it was just to dang heavy to be a daily driver. And if I spend that much money, I'd like to be able to wear them all day if I want. For me, either of those hp's were good for about an hour before I was thinking about a break. Dealbreaker for me.

 

The he4 however feels like a portable compared to those two beast mentioned above. But the bass on the he4 has better weight and punch than the he400. :eek:  It is people...I must tell the truth. AND it is also better textured than the he500. :ph34r:  Again I speak the truth as I'm bound by headfi to do. 

 

Problem is, the he-4, and he-6 ftm, take more amp than most people have to get them into 5th gear. The A2 wont do it. The lyr wont either. emotiva mini with speakers taps will do though. And around the $200 price point which is quite impressive. Plus the cost of the cable of course. Nothing though has enabled the he-4 to come to life like my vintage receivers. Specifically the Pioneer sx-1280. If you EVER get a chance to pick one of these up locally on CL say, anything south of $500 is a steal. These go on ebay for $1k plus. 

 

The only setup that has made my jaw drop more than the he-4/Pioneer 1280 is the Stax on the Blue Hawaii, period. 

post #12833 of 18683
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

I found the he500 an outstanding hp and great for most music. Ultimately like the lcd2, it was just to dang heavy to be a daily driver. And if I spend that much money, I'd like to be able to wear them all day if I want. For me, either of those hp's were good for about an hour before I was thinking about a break. Dealbreaker for me.

 

The he4 however feels like a portable compared to those two beast mentioned above. But the bass on the he4 has better weight and punch than the he400. :eek:  It is people...I must tell the truth. AND it is also better textured than the he500. :ph34r:  Again I speak the truth as I'm bound by headfi to do. 

 

Problem is, the he-4, and he-6 ftm, take more amp than most people have to get them into 5th gear. The A2 wont do it. The lyr wont either. emotiva mini with speakers taps will do though. And around the $200 price point which is quite impressive. Plus the cost of the cable of course. Nothing though has enabled the he-4 to come to life like my vintage receivers. Specifically the Pioneer sx-1280. If you EVER get a chance to pick one of these up locally on CL say, anything south of $500 is a steal. These go on ebay for $1k plus. 

 

The only setup that has made my jaw drop more than the he-4/Pioneer 1280 is the Stax on the Blue Hawaii, period. 

 

Once of these days I'll try out the (relatively) elusive HE-4.  Does anyone know if this has ever been measured?  I can never seem to find a chart anywhere just to satiate my comparison curiosity for the time being.  The SX-1280 is a BEAST at 65lbs and 160wpc and it's easily one of the best in vintage receivers out there, especially if you've got some massive towers to drive.  I've got a small list of vintage receivers I look for on CL and yard sales :p my dad has had an SX-850 since the mid-70's that he got when he was around my age so that's the one I'm most keen on (fond memories haha).

post #12834 of 18683
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post
 

 

Once of these days I'll try out the (relatively) elusive HE-4.  Does anyone know if this has ever been measured?  I can never seem to find a chart anywhere just to satiate my comparison curiosity for the time being.  The SX-1280 is a BEAST at 65lbs and 160wpc and it's easily one of the best in vintage receivers out there, especially if you've got some massive towers to drive.  I've got a small list of vintage receivers I look for on CL and yard sales :p my dad has had an SX-850 since the mid-70's that he got when he was around my age so that's the one I'm most keen on (fond memories haha).

 

uh gawd the elusive He 4 sounds like the HD 800 in that it needs some equally elusive vintage reciver to drive it at it's best xD

 
Glad I got my Dt 880, ok yea she sucks again'st the HE 4 but it's  an easy girl to please. Although for the realitive price I might try for an HE 4 combo next year
post #12835 of 18683
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post
 

 

Once of these days I'll try out the (relatively) elusive HE-4.  Does anyone know if this has ever been measured?  I can never seem to find a chart anywhere just to satiate my comparison curiosity for the time being.  The SX-1280 is a BEAST at 65lbs and 160wpc and it's easily one of the best in vintage receivers out there, especially if you've got some massive towers to drive.  I've got a small list of vintage receivers I look for on CL and yard sales :p my dad has had an SX-850 since the mid-70's that he got when he was around my age so that's the one I'm most keen on (fond memories haha).

 

Yeah, the best of the vintage receiver are truly special for othos because it's really tough to give them too much power. The headphone output stage on the sx1280 is the same as for speakers and it is truly an amazing experience. The first time I plugged the he4 into the sx 1280 I felt like Marty McFly on back to the future when when plugged in his guitar into the ginormous amp.

 

The other thing to know is that most of these receivers need a good bit of tlc. Usually a recap is required. The sx 1280 has four main caps each the size of a coke can. :eek: They are pricey. But restored these old steel beast are just delicious with the ortho hp's. 

post #12836 of 18683
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

Yeah, the best of the vintage receiver are truly special for othos because it's really tough to give them too much power. The headphone output stage on the sx1280 is the same as for speakers and it is truly an amazing experience. The first time I plugged the he4 into the sx 1280 I felt like Marty McFly on back to the future when when plugged in his guitar into the ginormous amp.

 

The other thing to know is that most of these receivers need a good bit of tlc. Usually a recap is required. The sx 1280 has four main caps each the size of a coke can. :eek: They are pricey. But restored these old steel beast are just delicious with the ortho hp's. 

 

the more I hear about the HE 4 the more it scares me xD, sheesh this might be something to do as my last hurrah before I getin to Hi Fi, maybe I'll skip the T90 and go for an HE 4

 
Hey matt, you think a Balanced he-4 out of an Audio GD 10ES2 [8w into 32ohms] would be powered well enough? I might just spurlge an grab it, then sell off my Dt 880 if it works. 
 
My only question is who bought J's He 4? as his classified is closed 
post #12837 of 18683
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

I'd be interested to hear what amp you were using for this comparison. Most people fall into the trap of "my amp is good enough." To amp the he-4 properly, the best guide would be to use the same setup for it as you would the he-6. 

I was able to test the it off the Audio gd NFB 10.32 which delivers 6 watts to 50 ohms.
post #12838 of 18683
Thread Starter 

I'll check on who bought it. I think that you can still get B stock from headamp though. The audio GD would be plenty I would think. I owned the AGD 6 balanced but not at the same time as the he-4. :(

 

Get this instead:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pioneer-SX-1280-Vintage-Stereophonic-Receiver-ORIGINAL-condition-/130993172657?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1e7fcd30b1

 

Buy it now price is only $1250. :biggrin:

post #12839 of 18683
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

I'll check on who bought it. I think that you can still get B stock from headamp though. The audio GD would be plenty I would think. I owned the AGD 6 balanced but not at the same time as the he-4. :(

 

Get this instead:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pioneer-SX-1280-Vintage-Stereophonic-Receiver-ORIGINAL-condition-/130993172657?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1e7fcd30b1

 

Buy it now price is only $1250. :biggrin:

 

Yea they are selling B stock... what is B Stock though? And they still ask about $450 dollars for it >.> I might make an aggresive bid for it to whomever bought it but pff I doubt they will sell seeing how FAST they got them.... Still a Balanced Dt 880 isn't something to bawk at either... non the less... we shall see how it works

post #12840 of 18683
I really liked the he-4 and would have considered buying it at the time if I was not saving for the lcd2. I also didn't want to have to also buy the amp or another amp to properly drive it from what I heard demoing it.

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

I'd be interested to hear what amp you were using for this comparison. Most people fall into the trap of "my amp is good enough." To amp the he-4 properly, the best guide would be to use the same setup for it as you would the he-6. 

I was able to test the it off the Audio gd NFB 10.32 which delivers 6 watts to 50 ohms.


Id it still wasn't at its potential, I'd love to hear what it would sound like at its best.

Edit: my bad somehow I posted while still adding to my post.
Edited by Leliana - 9/16/13 at 2:52pm
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