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post #12826 of 20483
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

I found the he500 an outstanding hp and great for most music. Ultimately like the lcd2, it was just to dang heavy to be a daily driver. And if I spend that much money, I'd like to be able to wear them all day if I want. For me, either of those hp's were good for about an hour before I was thinking about a break. Dealbreaker for me.

 

The he4 however feels like a portable compared to those two beast mentioned above. But the bass on the he4 has better weight and punch than the he400. :eek:  It is people...I must tell the truth. AND it is also better textured than the he500. :ph34r:  Again I speak the truth as I'm bound by headfi to do. 

 

Problem is, the he-4, and he-6 ftm, take more amp than most people have to get them into 5th gear. The A2 wont do it. The lyr wont either. emotiva mini with speakers taps will do though. And around the $200 price point which is quite impressive. Plus the cost of the cable of course. Nothing though has enabled the he-4 to come to life like my vintage receivers. Specifically the Pioneer sx-1280. If you EVER get a chance to pick one of these up locally on CL say, anything south of $500 is a steal. These go on ebay for $1k plus. 

 

The only setup that has made my jaw drop more than the he-4/Pioneer 1280 is the Stax on the Blue Hawaii, period. 

 

Once of these days I'll try out the (relatively) elusive HE-4.  Does anyone know if this has ever been measured?  I can never seem to find a chart anywhere just to satiate my comparison curiosity for the time being.  The SX-1280 is a BEAST at 65lbs and 160wpc and it's easily one of the best in vintage receivers out there, especially if you've got some massive towers to drive.  I've got a small list of vintage receivers I look for on CL and yard sales :p my dad has had an SX-850 since the mid-70's that he got when he was around my age so that's the one I'm most keen on (fond memories haha).

post #12827 of 20483
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post
 

 

Once of these days I'll try out the (relatively) elusive HE-4.  Does anyone know if this has ever been measured?  I can never seem to find a chart anywhere just to satiate my comparison curiosity for the time being.  The SX-1280 is a BEAST at 65lbs and 160wpc and it's easily one of the best in vintage receivers out there, especially if you've got some massive towers to drive.  I've got a small list of vintage receivers I look for on CL and yard sales :p my dad has had an SX-850 since the mid-70's that he got when he was around my age so that's the one I'm most keen on (fond memories haha).

 

uh gawd the elusive He 4 sounds like the HD 800 in that it needs some equally elusive vintage reciver to drive it at it's best xD

 
Glad I got my Dt 880, ok yea she sucks again'st the HE 4 but it's  an easy girl to please. Although for the realitive price I might try for an HE 4 combo next year
post #12828 of 20483
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post
 

 

Once of these days I'll try out the (relatively) elusive HE-4.  Does anyone know if this has ever been measured?  I can never seem to find a chart anywhere just to satiate my comparison curiosity for the time being.  The SX-1280 is a BEAST at 65lbs and 160wpc and it's easily one of the best in vintage receivers out there, especially if you've got some massive towers to drive.  I've got a small list of vintage receivers I look for on CL and yard sales :p my dad has had an SX-850 since the mid-70's that he got when he was around my age so that's the one I'm most keen on (fond memories haha).

 

Yeah, the best of the vintage receiver are truly special for othos because it's really tough to give them too much power. The headphone output stage on the sx1280 is the same as for speakers and it is truly an amazing experience. The first time I plugged the he4 into the sx 1280 I felt like Marty McFly on back to the future when when plugged in his guitar into the ginormous amp.

 

The other thing to know is that most of these receivers need a good bit of tlc. Usually a recap is required. The sx 1280 has four main caps each the size of a coke can. :eek: They are pricey. But restored these old steel beast are just delicious with the ortho hp's. 

post #12829 of 20483
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

Yeah, the best of the vintage receiver are truly special for othos because it's really tough to give them too much power. The headphone output stage on the sx1280 is the same as for speakers and it is truly an amazing experience. The first time I plugged the he4 into the sx 1280 I felt like Marty McFly on back to the future when when plugged in his guitar into the ginormous amp.

 

The other thing to know is that most of these receivers need a good bit of tlc. Usually a recap is required. The sx 1280 has four main caps each the size of a coke can. :eek: They are pricey. But restored these old steel beast are just delicious with the ortho hp's. 

 

the more I hear about the HE 4 the more it scares me xD, sheesh this might be something to do as my last hurrah before I getin to Hi Fi, maybe I'll skip the T90 and go for an HE 4

 
Hey matt, you think a Balanced he-4 out of an Audio GD 10ES2 [8w into 32ohms] would be powered well enough? I might just spurlge an grab it, then sell off my Dt 880 if it works. 
 
My only question is who bought J's He 4? as his classified is closed 
post #12830 of 20483
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

I'd be interested to hear what amp you were using for this comparison. Most people fall into the trap of "my amp is good enough." To amp the he-4 properly, the best guide would be to use the same setup for it as you would the he-6. 

I was able to test the it off the Audio gd NFB 10.32 which delivers 6 watts to 50 ohms.
post #12831 of 20483
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I'll check on who bought it. I think that you can still get B stock from headamp though. The audio GD would be plenty I would think. I owned the AGD 6 balanced but not at the same time as the he-4. :(

 

Get this instead:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pioneer-SX-1280-Vintage-Stereophonic-Receiver-ORIGINAL-condition-/130993172657?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1e7fcd30b1

 

Buy it now price is only $1250. :biggrin:

post #12832 of 20483
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

I'll check on who bought it. I think that you can still get B stock from headamp though. The audio GD would be plenty I would think. I owned the AGD 6 balanced but not at the same time as the he-4. :(

 

Get this instead:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pioneer-SX-1280-Vintage-Stereophonic-Receiver-ORIGINAL-condition-/130993172657?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item1e7fcd30b1

 

Buy it now price is only $1250. :biggrin:

 

Yea they are selling B stock... what is B Stock though? And they still ask about $450 dollars for it >.> I might make an aggresive bid for it to whomever bought it but pff I doubt they will sell seeing how FAST they got them.... Still a Balanced Dt 880 isn't something to bawk at either... non the less... we shall see how it works

post #12833 of 20483
I really liked the he-4 and would have considered buying it at the time if I was not saving for the lcd2. I also didn't want to have to also buy the amp or another amp to properly drive it from what I heard demoing it.

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

I'd be interested to hear what amp you were using for this comparison. Most people fall into the trap of "my amp is good enough." To amp the he-4 properly, the best guide would be to use the same setup for it as you would the he-6. 

I was able to test the it off the Audio gd NFB 10.32 which delivers 6 watts to 50 ohms.


Id it still wasn't at its potential, I'd love to hear what it would sound like at its best.

Edit: my bad somehow I posted while still adding to my post.
Edited by Leliana - 9/16/13 at 2:52pm
post #12834 of 20483
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Originally Posted by Leliana View Post

I really liked the he-4 and would have considered buying it at the time if I was not saving for the lcd2. I also didn't want to have to also buy the amp or another amp to properly drive it from what I heard demoing it.
I was able to test the it off the Audio gd NFB 10.32 which delivers 6 watts to 50 ohms.


Id it still wasn't at its potential, I'd love to hear what it would sound like at its best.

Edit: my bad somehow I posted while still adding to my post.

 

6 watts STILL left it not at 100% good grief! I might pass it then. Might try it later in life >.>

 
Till then how's the Treble on the He 400 comapred to the LCD 2, and how's the bass on it as well. We talking linear upgrades in terms of these two or two differnt monsters
post #12835 of 20483

HE-400 has a bit more quantitive bass, a large part because its upper mids aren't as aggressive and in your face.  But also its bass is a little more bloomy while LCD2 bass is tighter.  HE-400 rolls off at about 35hz whereas LCD2 rolls off at 30hz.

 

The two perform very close bass wise.  LCD2 treble and HE-400 treble aren't super comparable.  One has a whole lot, one doesn't have very much.

post #12836 of 20483
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6 watts STILL left it not at 100% good grief! I might pass it then. Might try it later in life >.>

 
Till then how's the Treble on the He 400 comapred to the LCD 2, and how's the bass on it as well. We talking linear upgrades in terms of these two or two differnt monsters

 

If I remember correctly you owned the Mad Dogs and said they were not for you, you probably would not like the LCD-2 either, they have similar treble to my ears. The LCD-2 is very organic sounding.

 

The HE-400 is fantastic for the type of music you asked about (EDM), but the vocals are not even close to being as natural as the W1000x(something we have both own and discussed), the W1000x does female vocals as good as anything I own.

post #12837 of 20483
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post
 

I can't get passed the fact that you want to buy new headphones that  you've never heard before and you want to try them with pads that were designed for a completely different headphone line purely because they are comfy. Pads affect the sound signature immensely. Much much more than the differences between 256kbps and 320kbps which you can apparently distinguish. I would at least make sure that you get a pair of stock pleathers to go with them!

 

You can't notice a difference between 256 > 320 > FLAC ? Very noticeable to me... The HE400 make low quality stuff sound horrible..


Edited by nicholars - 9/16/13 at 3:26pm
post #12838 of 20483
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

 

6 watts STILL left it not at 100% good grief! I might pass it then. Might try it later in life >.>

 
Till then how's the Treble on the He 400 comapred to the LCD 2, and how's the bass on it as well. We talking linear upgrades in terms of these two or two differnt monsters

I said if (mind you I misspelled it by accident) it was not at 100%. I'm not sure if it would end up sounding better with a receiver or not.

 

It very well could have been running at optimum.

post #12839 of 20483
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

 

You can't notice a difference between 256 > 320 > FLAC ? Very noticeable to me...

 

128/192 to 256/320 no problem. 256 to 320 to FLAC? My ears hear no difference for most recordings, very subtle for others and that is only when comparing to lossless. I certainly can't pick up on a difference between 256 and 320. We all hear (or think we hear) differently. However, I would be amazed if you think the difference from 256 to 320 is more drastic than sub bass or hole cutting mod for the jerg pads. Simple mods, very noticeable differences.

 

Though I would also be amazed to see you guess 320 vs 256 on a blind A/B ;) 

post #12840 of 20483
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post
 

 

If I remember correctly you owned the Mad Dogs and said they were not for you, you probably would not like the LCD-2 either, they have similar treble to my ears. The LCD-2 is very organic sounding.

 

The HE-400 is fantastic for the type of music you asked about (EDM), but the vocals are not even close to being as natural as the W1000x(something we have both own and discussed), the W1000x does female vocals as good as anything I own.

Yea... I don't think I'll like the LCD 2 either, which is why I want the HE 400, ALL the treble it should b a little like the Dt 990 which rolls off uhh well countinally so I think the linear bass will be a great benifit and I don't mind what could a slighty... rougher treble... anything treble wise that the HE 400 compares . I mean the upper treble dip I'm used to with the dt 990, its extra mid bass just kinda leaves Guitars... lacking slightly so ... can't imagine the HE 400 being much worse in that respect

 

and yes I doubt it will beat the w1000x,,, that thing's like magic sexual gold its so intimate yet so... spacious... I loves it

 

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You can't notice a difference between 256 > 320 > FLAC ? Very noticeable to me...

 

uhh gawd plz don't remind me... just boring and flat is what 256 sounds like. Barely any real upper treble, just attack and... then bland nothingness decay, 320 is a little better but still not too great Flac ofc is the best, obviously 

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