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Hmm I see, it would be unexpected for an iem to match the HE-400's layering abilities. 


Btw raven, can you post a link to those images of the closed back LCD? I remember seeing the really early prototype, but haven't been keeping up with their progress.

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Hemipowered what do the TS400 tips do specifically for the RE-400?

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My god they're beautiful. Now if they could do something about the headband to improve comfort.

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

God it's so hard to get used to the closed headphone and IEM sound congestion coming from open headphones.  The little bass and more upper mids of the RE-400 compared to the HE-400 don't bother me as much as just the congestion.  Plugging it into the magni/modi helps a little, but there's no practical point in doing that.


For 89 dollars though these will suffice for my portable usage.  Definitely more warm and inviting of a sound than those ****ty Skullcandy Holua.


IE8 and Yamaha EPH are quite good for that (don't sound congested)

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Hemipowered what do the TS400 tips do specifically for the RE-400?

The ts400 is a very comfortable tip. Its isolate smuch better than any of the include tips to ny ears. I was using the stock bi flanges and they sounded best. But it was a pain to get a proper seal. They don't so much change the sound, but they add comfort isolation and let you get a better seal. Which in my case DID change the sound, enough so to warrant the 17 dollar pricetag. But. My diy tips sound near the same, they just aren't as comfy and won't last as long. So If you have foam ear plugs layin around, try that mod first before spending money, that's what I did. Liked them so much I bought the complys.
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I don't think they are congested for IEMs, they are clear and transparent IMO.  Despite being quite tiny both the RE-400 and RE-600 give a relatively good sense of airiness and 'out of your head' feeling, better than most I've heard anyway.  The RE-600's soundstage is a bit larger overall in direct comparison.  IEMs will always feel more intimate and 'in your head' compared to full-sized cans so you'll never truly escape that, but the latest in the RE series performs admirably.  Full-sized open headphones are of course going to be superior in most regards so you have to expect it to be a bit jarring switching back and fourth.  I just tried it and it's disorienting. :p  On their own they are pretty great performers.

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I quite like it, its just different to headphones, the most "out of the head" IEM's I have tried would be the IE8/IE80, maybe try those.

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TM's not trying to get into the IEM hobby he's waiting for closed LCD or an SR007 then never looking at headphones again.

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

TM's not trying to get into the IEM hobby he's waiting for closed LCD or an SR007 then never looking at headphones again.

Wise man...

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Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Whenever Audeze releases their closed LCD I'll just be using that at home and on the go like an extreme hipster.  This is all assuming they know how to magically dampen their closed backs to sound like an open back and not sound like a Mad Dog.


Btw I already tried out all the different tips and found the small double-flanged ones to seal and sound best.  What do the TS400 tips do to the sound?



Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

No price tag on the audeze yet just more and more pics of its gradually progressing design.  The latest ones from the west coast meet look real good.  Amazing what adding a metallic accent can do.


I wouldn't worry about the congestion if you're already used to IEMs and other closed headphones.  It's par for the course.  I'm just so used to the exceptionally layered sound of the HE-400 that even other closed headphones with decent clarity like the Mad Dogs sound badly congested.


I have to be direct here and say that there is nothing "congested" as you put it about the MD. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I have had the MD since the early days and I hear nothing "congested" about the sound/soundstage. 

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If it wasn't such a problem with the Mad Dogs then the Alpha Dogs wouldn't be promising on delivering a more spacious sound. 


I certainly am entitled to my opinion.  Mad Dogs sound congested-- but so do 99% of closed headphones out there.

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Thread Starter 

What does the AD have to do with the comments that you made about the MD being congested? Nothing that I can tell. The AD takes a good product and improves on it. The MD has, since it's first iteration been a very "open" and "uncongested" sounding hp. I feel that I can make this assertion because I've owned them all since the beginning and have also heard the AD and know exactly where it stands with the rest. 


These are fine hp's but certainly have their flaws as all hp's do. It's just a matter of what compromises that you're willing to live with and what you're willing able to pay to get what you want out of the experience. But of the weaknesses that either of these hp's have, "congested" sounding is not one of them. 


I've owned more than a half dozen closed hp's and I've certainly heard many that could be characterized as congested...closed in or whatever semantics you'd like to use to describe that phenomenon. The m50 suffered from it as did the dt770, d2k, d5k and d7k.


But, in my estimation, the MD is actually the most "uncongested" closed hp that I've heard. It competes with decent open hp's...the hd650 comes to mind. I feel this is one reason that has lead to the MD popularity here. 


My 2c..

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I think the Future Sonics Atrio MG7's had the kind of bass and timbre that EDM heads could really appreciate.

They used to have them half price on their homepage and they appear to be discontinued...but some sellers still have them on ebay.

Think their only negative was soundstage, but their lower end was supposed to be great much like HE-400's which the RE vs HE poster was maybe looking for...the kind of bass texture/depth HE-400's have (?) Think the MG7's were teeth rattlers...or "ball-gripping bass" to borrow from Jerg.:eek:

Edited by Lohb - 9/14/13 at 7:55pm
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AD was to do with your comment not mine.


Mad Dogs sound glorious for their price-- and congested.  You can throw as many pennies as you want into the counter-argument but it's not really going to change my opinion on them.  For what it's worth I think HD650 and LCD2 have the proclivity to become congested sounding too.

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