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post #12691 of 20203
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Originally Posted by ferday View Post
 

 

i'm an experienced DIY, so modding won't be a problem LOL

 

just very little time, and it never feels pressing to me.  at some point i will get modded up ha ha.  

 

Do it while you are watching TV or something : )

post #12692 of 20203
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

 

So I'm just thinking the He 400  will be too dull or rather to dark for me in it's high end... warm was not the right word The Xb 700 is WARM on paper and on your ears 

 

 

 

The HE400 are anything but dull and dark.....

 

The upper mids are recessed a bit but it works pretty well with the headphones once you get used to it, the treble is certainly not recessed at all.

post #12693 of 20203
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

 

The HE400 are anything but dull and dark.....

 

The upper mids are recessed a bit but it works pretty well with the headphones once you get used to it, the treble is certainly not recessed at all.

 

Yea I just need to hear it >.>, them Graphs aren't always accurate any how 

post #12694 of 20203

No I would consider dark headphones as flabby with too much bass and too little treble.  The HE-400 I consider warm because the bass is never out of control and out of line, while there's enough mid presence and treble presence to prevent it from being dark.  Warm usually has a good connotation with it while dark is used here and there to describe very bass heavy headphones with no treble.  You'll people use it to describe the LCD2 as well but that's a warm headphone to me.

 

AKG550's low end is the exact opposite of what I would consider dark.  I think K550 as a whole is rather tinny sounding.

 

AKG550's trouble points are in the upper mids, where I consider there to be too much and too ringy, so if you found the K550 dull sounding in the upper mids then I wouldn't even look at an HE-400 or HE-500, and get a Grado.

post #12695 of 20203

mmmm Grado great for tinnitus and hearing loss if thats what you are looking for :p

post #12696 of 20203
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

No I would consider dark headphones as flabby with too much bass and too little treble.  The HE-400 I consider warm because the bass is never out of control and out of line, while there's enough mid presence and treble presence to prevent it from being dark.  Warm usually has a good connotation with it while dark is used here and there to describe very bass heavy headphones with no treble.  You'll people use it to describe the LCD2 as well but that's a warm headphone to me.

 

AKG550's low end is the exact opposite of what I would consider dark.  I think K550 as a whole is rather tinny sounding.

 

AKG550's trouble points are in the upper mids, where I consider there to be too much and too ringy, so if you found the K550 dull sounding in the upper mids then I wouldn't even look at an HE-400 or HE-500, and get a Grado.

 

No no no, the upper mids where not dull I enjoyed them, the treble was dull for me. It was just... so bland... and eww yea your right the Upper mids are Tinny... YUK. Brass instruments sound... ugly  well I didn't listen to a whole lot of jazz on them :/ OH that makes SENSE. I always found the mids of the K550 to lack... body... so then this is what tinny sounds like good to know

 

And... I'm not big on owning a Grado... they seem to cumbersome with all the Mods and Cup variations... how ever I'm thinking about grabbing a T90 

 

and it seems we have dark and warm mixed up xD who knows why could be where we live, For me warm denotes a flabby bass, most REALLY bass heavy cans are both dark and warm. But dark does denote a focus on the mids and bass, where as bright is a focus on the upper mids and highs.

 

Better yet a perfect example of Dark is the Mad Dog, bass is deep and tight, mids are very prominent and it had dull treble for me same as the K550, in particular drums and high hats sounded life less on the K550, something I don't get with my w1000x Hp 100 and Dt 880/990

 

That said... I might spurlge on a he-400 I've got a little bit o wiggle room in mah budget... assuming I can get a good price for my Matrix M Stage and oDac combo 

post #12697 of 20203
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

mmmm Grado great for tinnitus and hearing loss if thats what you are looking for :p

 

Not at all, I like Beyer Treble. And the Dt 880 is mah favorite can. I hear the He 500 is a logical step up as it shares a simmilar sound signiture! The T90 and He 500 are apprently the two headphones in that price range to get, depening on what you like or rather what kind of amp your running

 

Still I know Orthos tend to have nice Bass and Mids, which is why I'm interested in the Hr 400 and 500 

post #12698 of 20203
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

mmmm Grado great for tinnitus and hearing loss if thats what you are looking for tongue.gif

Lol

I adore my sr80i for what they are and what they do. A very fun and often exciting can, despite its obvious and numerous technical flaws. I do listen to them at much lower volumes than I would with my 400's!
post #12699 of 20203

Well the treble of the HE-400 isn't dull that's for sure.  It's up there with DT990 sparkle, just not as broad of a spike so it won't intrude as much compared to the DT990.

 

Warm and Dark can overlap.  Dark and Bright can be used to describe bass-- treble balance while warm and cold can be used to describe mid timbre.  HE-400 can't be categorized as a dark headphone though because it's both dark and bright at the same time-- more like your casual balanced headphone with the usual smiley curve.

post #12700 of 20203
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Well the treble of the HE-400 isn't dull that's for sure.  It's up there with DT990 sparkle, just not as broad of a spike so it won't intrude as much compared to the DT990.

 

Warm and Dark can overlap.  Dark and Bright can be used to describe bass-- treble balance while warm and cold can be used to describe mid timbre.  HE-400 can't be categorized as a dark headphone though because it's both dark and bright at the same time-- more like your casual balanced headphone with the usual smiley curve.

 

AHh yes and THAT is what I wanted to hear, Dark and Bright at the same time [I mentioned that a while back] I like a dark low end and a bright top end, for example the Dt 990 is warm, that BIG mid bass hump leads to warmth through the lower mids [which is nice] the Mad Dog on the other hand was dark, the mids where so... visceral and the bass so modestly tight, yet it lacked treble

 

that said I've made a classified for a J$Pad He 400 [as those Lamp Skin Leathers are heavenly] hopefully some one will bite :D 

post #12701 of 20203

 

 

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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

 

Yea I just need to hear it >.>, them Graphs aren't always accurate any how 

 

These plots might give you a better idea as to HE400's treble behaviour relative to HE500's. I have both and the 400s treble is much more piercing, while 500s treble is fairly smooth and well-behaved.

post #12702 of 20203

I'd like to share my thoughts on this headphone. I listen to 80% electronic music and 20% rock. Initially I bought the hd650 because I heard that it was really nice for the price and comfy, and it offers fatigue-free listening. Also I read that it had that mid-bass hump which would be fun for electronic music's kick drums and stuff. I got it and was blown away by the sonic quality, coming from an ultrasone DJ-1 (which i thought was a great headphone). The 650 was clearly in a different league.

 

I then realized that the bass was not tight --at all. I was using a fiio e09k with the e17 which should offer plenty to power the 650 nicely (I think). The bass would just fall apart in complex parts of songs and it was really disappointing and not exciting. My DJ-1 was much better in this "tightness" regard. 

 

Enter the he-400. I swapped the 650 for this due to the great return policy of my local shop. First listen plugged into just iPhone, i was wowed by the bass. Then I plugged into my desktop amp and ****** yeah, I really think this is a better headphone than the 650 in almost every respect, ESPECIALLY FOR ELECTRONIC MUSIC. In fact, its the best quality bass I've ever heard and I've been in some really good sounding clubs. The 650 really sucks for fast paced music I think because the separation just gets sloppy, esp that bass. Also the treble is nice and clean but not as fun as the 400. The only thing I think the 650 bests the 400 in is for the sweet midrange which is quite emotive. But the mids on the 400 are really good too. Imaging is better.

 

Also you don't get that 3-blob soundstage like the 650. The soundstage on the 400 is the coolest! Its unique, not like trying to mimic speakers, instead the sound surrounds you. Its a really great experience. 

 

My favorite characteristic of this phone is the instrument separation. WOW. It's euphoric. Also, I've noticed a definite break-in sound change. It sounds smoother now and more realistic, whereas when I first got it, things definitely sounded badass, but slightly artificial.

 

I think I am a basshead and the 400 is more than satisfying. I don't like skull crushing bass, but I want detail and impact and above-average presence. That recessed upper midrange? I LIKE it. Makes the over-the-top female vocals (IMO) in Zero 7 sit down and chill out. And the separation quality lets you follow the recessed upper midrange sounds (as well as everything) in the most complex moments. SO SICK DUDE. 

 

Also: I have tinnitus and it gets worse when there is goofy distortion in any part of the sonic range. Esp treble. that's why i bought the 650 bc of the fatigue-free lauds. Let me say this: The 400 has much LESS fatigue in my opinion. this is because it is very satisfying at low volumes. The 650 has to be cranked to get the bass going and that railed my ears. Also I did notice that treble 'tizz' on the 400 and it hurt my ears, but lowering the 8K and 16K by 3db in iTunes has entirely resolved the issue.  

 

I have a small neck, and weight is a total non-issue. I wear these all day at work with no problems. I have no mods, yet. Scared to remove grills bc of dust. 

 

In conclusion, you can obv tell I'm stoked on these babies. But seriously, this has upped my listening experience from FUN to SPIRITUAL. It's a totally different thing now, and I try to tell my friends this, but my friends tell me to shut up about my headphones cause I go on and on about how nuts they are. 

 

I was also considering swapping these for the lcd2s but man, I'm perfectly satisfied. I'll wait. 

post #12703 of 20203
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

 

AHh yes and THAT is what I wanted to hear, Dark and Bright at the same time [I mentioned that a while back] I like a dark low end and a bright top end, for example the Dt 990 is warm, that BIG mid bass hump leads to warmth through the lower mids [which is nice] the Mad Dog on the other hand was dark, the mids where so... visceral and the bass so modestly tight, yet it lacked treble

 

that said I've made a classified for a J$Pad He 400 [as those Lamp Skin Leathers are heavenly] hopefully some one will bite :D 

 

 

 

Well the HE-400 makes the DT990 sound cold in comparison so there's always that.

post #12704 of 20203
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

 

 

 

Well the HE-400 makes the DT990 sound cold in comparison so there's always that.

 

it is a delicate mid can, the Dt 880 is a smidge warmer, the K550 a smidge warmer than the Dt 880 and the w1000x is just sexy [and the w1000x is more warm than dark, as it's bass is a little looser then I'd like but it's still very natrual and enjoyable [it's GREAT with Accoustic not so much with electronic] 

post #12705 of 20203
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Originally Posted by mogulmaster View Post
 

I'd like to share my thoughts on this headphone.....................................................................................................................................................................................

 

Completely agree with everything you said, the HE400 is epic with electronic music, Best I have ever heard, except maybe the D2000 which was awesome as well, but I expect if I bought another pair I would find the bass flabby and the mids lacking compared to HE400. Only part I do not agree with you on is that they are less fatiguing than the HD650, sorry but that is just plain wrong lol.

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