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post #12691 of 17758
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Originally Posted by ethan7000 View Post
 

This may be the single best description of bass I have ever seen.

 

I do want to try these... the Freq Response makes them appear kinda warm... with all that bass boosted realitive to the sucked out Mid Range and spiked treble... but my ears don't hear now do they :D 

post #12692 of 17758

You can't have warm without a prominent lower-mid midrange.  HE-400 has very up-front low-mid mids.  That's what you'll hear most with its sound signature, all the warm fundamentals of instruments.

post #12693 of 17758
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Originally Posted by ferday View Post
 

 

preferring "IEM's" doesn't make much sense without more info....they all have sound signatures as well.  specific IEM's?

 

i prefer my grados on a lot of metal/guitar based music, because of the tone on the guitar and the mid bass hump...but the 400's are clearly superior from a technical point

 

i do agree with you on the velours, i haven't modded my pleathers (i know, sacrilege around here :) but i prefer them to the also un-modded velours.  i keep meaning to get around to jerg-modding but honestly i'm just really happy with the sound so i used my spare time to mod my grados instead

 

Mod them and you will get better bass, smoother treble, less hollow sound and better pretty much everything else. Takes about 2 hours, you would have to be a bit of a muppet to mess it up it is not difficult.

 

I prefer IE8, SE215 for metal etc. SE215 are pretty dark and lacking detail tbh but they are quite nice to listen to metal or rock music with no fatigue at all, good for using outside as they have good isolation and will not break.

 

I will have to try messing about with the HE400 with those genres because I have not listened to those a lot, I have been enjoying electronic music on them too much.


Edited by nicholars - 9/13/13 at 9:31am
post #12694 of 17758
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

 

Mod them and you will get better bass, smoother treble, less hollow sound and better pretty much everything else. Takes about 2 hours, you would have to be a bit of a muppet to mess it up it is not difficult.

 

I prefer IE8, SE215 for metal etc. SE215 are pretty dark and lacking detail tbh but they are quite nice to listen to metal or rock music with no fatigue at all...

 

i'm an experienced DIY, so modding won't be a problem LOL

 

just very little time, and it never feels pressing to me.  at some point i will get modded up ha ha.  

post #12695 of 17758
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

You can't have warm without a prominent lower-mid midrange.  HE-400 has very up-front low-mid mids.  That's what you'll hear most with its sound signature, all the warm fundamentals of instruments.

 

Yea I figured, but for me warm... is flabby [to much low mid fundimentals and bass] where as dark would be a more linear Frq with a less aggressive central and upper mid Dip

 

Point being I need an He 500 already -.-, as I like a Dark low end and a bright top end. Add dark to Bright and you get balance [go figure] 

 

A good example is the K550, it's got a very dark low end, tight bass and a hump that extends into the low mids. Where as my w1000x is a little warmer, the bass is a touch looser on the w1000x, with more body or decay, That extra decay is what I would say makes a headphone sound "warm" where as "dark" would be an ideal balance of Attack and Decay. Going back to the warm w1000x it's got a nice attack on the mids, but a touch to much decay which makes it sound warmer than dark to my ears [that and I modded mine, got rid of some of the decay] 

 

Where as the K550 lacks some of that body, Still looking at the He 400 Grq Graph... DAMN that LINEAR LINE but

 

The He 400 seems to have a Dip n the Lower and Central treble much like the K550 which I found to have very dull treble... it was boring.

 

Where as the He 500 has a dip in treble closer to the Dt 990 [which has treble that I enjoy] 

 

So I'm just thinking the He 400  will be too dull or rather to dark for me in it's high end... warm was not the right word The Xb 700 is WARM on paper and on your ears 

 

THAT said I don't think it could replace the Dt 990, how ever the T90 and HE 500 are fighting for the role occupied by my Dt 880 q.q 

 

Bleh I wish I could 

post #12696 of 17758
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Originally Posted by ferday View Post
 

 

i'm an experienced DIY, so modding won't be a problem LOL

 

just very little time, and it never feels pressing to me.  at some point i will get modded up ha ha.  

 

Do it while you are watching TV or something : )

post #12697 of 17758
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

 

So I'm just thinking the He 400  will be too dull or rather to dark for me in it's high end... warm was not the right word The Xb 700 is WARM on paper and on your ears 

 

 

 

The HE400 are anything but dull and dark.....

 

The upper mids are recessed a bit but it works pretty well with the headphones once you get used to it, the treble is certainly not recessed at all.

post #12698 of 17758
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

 

The HE400 are anything but dull and dark.....

 

The upper mids are recessed a bit but it works pretty well with the headphones once you get used to it, the treble is certainly not recessed at all.

 

Yea I just need to hear it >.>, them Graphs aren't always accurate any how 

post #12699 of 17758

No I would consider dark headphones as flabby with too much bass and too little treble.  The HE-400 I consider warm because the bass is never out of control and out of line, while there's enough mid presence and treble presence to prevent it from being dark.  Warm usually has a good connotation with it while dark is used here and there to describe very bass heavy headphones with no treble.  You'll people use it to describe the LCD2 as well but that's a warm headphone to me.

 

AKG550's low end is the exact opposite of what I would consider dark.  I think K550 as a whole is rather tinny sounding.

 

AKG550's trouble points are in the upper mids, where I consider there to be too much and too ringy, so if you found the K550 dull sounding in the upper mids then I wouldn't even look at an HE-400 or HE-500, and get a Grado.

post #12700 of 17758

mmmm Grado great for tinnitus and hearing loss if thats what you are looking for :p

post #12701 of 17758
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

No I would consider dark headphones as flabby with too much bass and too little treble.  The HE-400 I consider warm because the bass is never out of control and out of line, while there's enough mid presence and treble presence to prevent it from being dark.  Warm usually has a good connotation with it while dark is used here and there to describe very bass heavy headphones with no treble.  You'll people use it to describe the LCD2 as well but that's a warm headphone to me.

 

AKG550's low end is the exact opposite of what I would consider dark.  I think K550 as a whole is rather tinny sounding.

 

AKG550's trouble points are in the upper mids, where I consider there to be too much and too ringy, so if you found the K550 dull sounding in the upper mids then I wouldn't even look at an HE-400 or HE-500, and get a Grado.

 

No no no, the upper mids where not dull I enjoyed them, the treble was dull for me. It was just... so bland... and eww yea your right the Upper mids are Tinny... YUK. Brass instruments sound... ugly  well I didn't listen to a whole lot of jazz on them :/ OH that makes SENSE. I always found the mids of the K550 to lack... body... so then this is what tinny sounds like good to know

 

And... I'm not big on owning a Grado... they seem to cumbersome with all the Mods and Cup variations... how ever I'm thinking about grabbing a T90 

 

and it seems we have dark and warm mixed up xD who knows why could be where we live, For me warm denotes a flabby bass, most REALLY bass heavy cans are both dark and warm. But dark does denote a focus on the mids and bass, where as bright is a focus on the upper mids and highs.

 

Better yet a perfect example of Dark is the Mad Dog, bass is deep and tight, mids are very prominent and it had dull treble for me same as the K550, in particular drums and high hats sounded life less on the K550, something I don't get with my w1000x Hp 100 and Dt 880/990

 

That said... I might spurlge on a he-400 I've got a little bit o wiggle room in mah budget... assuming I can get a good price for my Matrix M Stage and oDac combo 

post #12702 of 17758
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

mmmm Grado great for tinnitus and hearing loss if thats what you are looking for :p

 

Not at all, I like Beyer Treble. And the Dt 880 is mah favorite can. I hear the He 500 is a logical step up as it shares a simmilar sound signiture! The T90 and He 500 are apprently the two headphones in that price range to get, depening on what you like or rather what kind of amp your running

 

Still I know Orthos tend to have nice Bass and Mids, which is why I'm interested in the Hr 400 and 500 

post #12703 of 17758
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

mmmm Grado great for tinnitus and hearing loss if thats what you are looking for tongue.gif

Lol

I adore my sr80i for what they are and what they do. A very fun and often exciting can, despite its obvious and numerous technical flaws. I do listen to them at much lower volumes than I would with my 400's!
post #12704 of 17758

Well the treble of the HE-400 isn't dull that's for sure.  It's up there with DT990 sparkle, just not as broad of a spike so it won't intrude as much compared to the DT990.

 

Warm and Dark can overlap.  Dark and Bright can be used to describe bass-- treble balance while warm and cold can be used to describe mid timbre.  HE-400 can't be categorized as a dark headphone though because it's both dark and bright at the same time-- more like your casual balanced headphone with the usual smiley curve.

post #12705 of 17758
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Well the treble of the HE-400 isn't dull that's for sure.  It's up there with DT990 sparkle, just not as broad of a spike so it won't intrude as much compared to the DT990.

 

Warm and Dark can overlap.  Dark and Bright can be used to describe bass-- treble balance while warm and cold can be used to describe mid timbre.  HE-400 can't be categorized as a dark headphone though because it's both dark and bright at the same time-- more like your casual balanced headphone with the usual smiley curve.

 

AHh yes and THAT is what I wanted to hear, Dark and Bright at the same time [I mentioned that a while back] I like a dark low end and a bright top end, for example the Dt 990 is warm, that BIG mid bass hump leads to warmth through the lower mids [which is nice] the Mad Dog on the other hand was dark, the mids where so... visceral and the bass so modestly tight, yet it lacked treble

 

that said I've made a classified for a J$Pad He 400 [as those Lamp Skin Leathers are heavenly] hopefully some one will bite :D 

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