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post #12676 of 20471
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Originally Posted by Mani ATH 87 View Post
 


It's far from necessary.

I use my HE-400's with the stock velours and they sound excellent. The Jergmods alter the sound, but it's far from the incredible difference some make it out to be.

I found the difference minor, I also found the jergmod unwearable because of comfort issues, so I actually prefer the stock velours.

 

Don't agree.... The velours sound bad to me and the modded pleather pads sound a lot better.

post #12677 of 20471
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

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Originally Posted by Mani ATH 87 View Post
 


It's far from necessary.

I use my HE-400's with the stock velours and they sound excellent. The Jergmods alter the sound, but it's far from the incredible difference some make it out to be.

I found the difference minor, I also found the jergmod unwearable because of comfort issues, so I actually prefer the stock velours.

Don't agree.... The velours sound bad to me and the modded pleather pads sound a lot better.

+1. The jerg pads make a significant difference in my book. However, if your ears are hitting the drivers like Mani's, I'd probably prefer the velour pads too.

post #12678 of 20471
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Don't agree.... The velours sound bad to me and the modded pleather pads sound a lot better.

Different strokes for different folks.. Well you get the idea. smily_headphones1.gif

I tried the stock pleathers for well over a week before I installed the stock velours. Never looked back , I much prefer the hifimans with velours. Would definitely like to give Jergs pads a go sometime although I'm not much of a handyman when it comes to modding and tinkering pads. I also don't experience any of the treble issues people have mentioned on this thread.

Cheers
post #12679 of 20471
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Originally Posted by djevoultion View Post


Different strokes for different folks.. Well you get the idea. smily_headphones1.gif

I tried the stock pleathers for well over a week before I installed the stock velours. Never looked back , I much prefer the hifimans with velours. Would definitely like to give Jergs pads a go sometime although I'm not much of a handyman when it comes to modding and tinkering pads. I also don't experience any of the treble issues people have mentioned on this thread.

Cheers

 

I like the comfort and look of the velours..... But they lose a fair bit of bass and also they sound quite bright / sibilant / harsh compared to the modded pleathers. I guess the best thing would be the velour top mod but I cba to do that.

post #12680 of 20471
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

 

This :

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/646812/hifiman-he500-he400-jergpad-mod-v2-0-new-modulor-production-jergpads-impressions-added

 

You might not like the HE-400 that much on first impressions, I didn't.... But with some good EQ and the mods they are really excellent for electronic music, treble could be a bit less sibilant but you cannot get everything for that price, they do a lot of things very well though.

 

Not only for electronic but for all types of music with the right EQ because when EQed flat, these are unreal.

post #12681 of 20471
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

I like the comfort and look of the velours..... But they lose a fair bit of bass and also they sound quite bright / sibilant / harsh compared to the modded pleathers. I guess the best thing would be the velour top mod but I cba to do that.

They don't lose any bass... even measured the same all the way up to the upper mids, where the changes started being noticeable. Tons of comparisons, and the bass is just as strong with velours as with the pleather...

The main changes were the less upper mid recessions and less jaggedness in the treble, but still as prominent. It did mke the sound less muffled, which I guess can be seen as brighter. But it was more of a tonality change, not added treble.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 9/13/13 at 7:45am
post #12682 of 20471
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

 

I like the comfort and look of the velours..... But they lose a fair bit of bass and also they sound quite bright / sibilant / harsh compared to the modded pleathers. I guess the best thing would be the velour top mod but I cba to do that.

They don't lose any bass... even measured the same all the way up to the upper mids, where the changes started being noticeable. Tons of comparisons, and the bass is just as strong with velours as with the pleather...

The main changes were the less upper mid recessions and less jaggedness in the treble, but still as prominent. It did mke the sound less muffled, which I guess can be seen as brighter. But it was more of a tonality change, not added treble.

 

Modded pleathers = jerg pads with sub bass mod. These do increase bass and there are measurements to show that.

 

EDIT: I should say "sub bass". The adhesion mod doesn't increase the entire bass spectrum.


Edited by Thujone - 9/13/13 at 8:12am
post #12683 of 20471

Interesting how people hear differently....

 

To me the velours sound harsher (more "jagged" / etched treble) and lacking bass compared to the modded pleathers (holes, sub bass mods etc)....

 

I agree that for other genres, especially real instruments and vocals, you do not want to EQ as much because it messes with the harmonics etc. I have heard better headphones in the price range for genres such as rock, metal, films, classical etc. but for electronic music, soundtracks, rap etc. the HE-400 with EQ  and mods are awesome. These are the main genres I use the HE400 for and the others I mentioned I do not enjoy as much on the HE-400 as I have on other headphones, I prefer IEM's for genres like metal and rock for some reason.


Edited by nicholars - 9/13/13 at 8:41am
post #12684 of 20471
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

Interesting how people hear differently....

 

To me the velours sound harsher (more "jagged" / etched treble) and lacking bass compared to the modded pleathers (holes, sub bass mods etc)....

 

I agree that for other genres, especially real instruments and vocals, you do not want to EQ as much because it messes with the harmonics etc. I have heard better headphones in the price range for genres such as rock, metal, films, classical etc. but for electronic music, soundtracks, rap etc. the HE-400 with EQ  and mods are awesome. These are the main genres I use the HE400 for and the others I mentioned I do not enjoy as much on the HE-400 as I have on other headphones, I prefer IEM's for genres like metal and rock for some reason.

 

preferring "IEM's" doesn't make much sense without more info....they all have sound signatures as well.  specific IEM's?

 

i prefer my grados on a lot of metal/guitar based music, because of the tone on the guitar and the mid bass hump...but the 400's are clearly superior from a technical point

 

i do agree with you on the velours, i haven't modded my pleathers (i know, sacrilege around here :) but i prefer them to the also un-modded velours.  i keep meaning to get around to jerg-modding but honestly i'm just really happy with the sound so i used my spare time to mod my grados instead

post #12685 of 20471
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

 

Orthos don't just sound like they are out of one basket, to be honest. Some shared traits include exceptionally layered instrument separation, a strong sense of tactility in the overall sound (not just bass), and different (not necessarily better or worse) somewhat speaker-like kind of soundstage layout.

 

But different orthos can have very different tonal balances and sound signatures.

 

Specifically in terms of HE400, expect a polite but detail-oriented sound signature with a ball-gripping bass.

This may be the single best description of bass I have ever seen.

post #12686 of 20471
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Originally Posted by ethan7000 View Post
 

This may be the single best description of bass I have ever seen.

 

I do want to try these... the Freq Response makes them appear kinda warm... with all that bass boosted realitive to the sucked out Mid Range and spiked treble... but my ears don't hear now do they :D 

post #12687 of 20471

You can't have warm without a prominent lower-mid midrange.  HE-400 has very up-front low-mid mids.  That's what you'll hear most with its sound signature, all the warm fundamentals of instruments.

post #12688 of 20471
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Originally Posted by ferday View Post
 

 

preferring "IEM's" doesn't make much sense without more info....they all have sound signatures as well.  specific IEM's?

 

i prefer my grados on a lot of metal/guitar based music, because of the tone on the guitar and the mid bass hump...but the 400's are clearly superior from a technical point

 

i do agree with you on the velours, i haven't modded my pleathers (i know, sacrilege around here :) but i prefer them to the also un-modded velours.  i keep meaning to get around to jerg-modding but honestly i'm just really happy with the sound so i used my spare time to mod my grados instead

 

Mod them and you will get better bass, smoother treble, less hollow sound and better pretty much everything else. Takes about 2 hours, you would have to be a bit of a muppet to mess it up it is not difficult.

 

I prefer IE8, SE215 for metal etc. SE215 are pretty dark and lacking detail tbh but they are quite nice to listen to metal or rock music with no fatigue at all, good for using outside as they have good isolation and will not break.

 

I will have to try messing about with the HE400 with those genres because I have not listened to those a lot, I have been enjoying electronic music on them too much.


Edited by nicholars - 9/13/13 at 9:31am
post #12689 of 20471
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

 

Mod them and you will get better bass, smoother treble, less hollow sound and better pretty much everything else. Takes about 2 hours, you would have to be a bit of a muppet to mess it up it is not difficult.

 

I prefer IE8, SE215 for metal etc. SE215 are pretty dark and lacking detail tbh but they are quite nice to listen to metal or rock music with no fatigue at all...

 

i'm an experienced DIY, so modding won't be a problem LOL

 

just very little time, and it never feels pressing to me.  at some point i will get modded up ha ha.  

post #12690 of 20471
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

You can't have warm without a prominent lower-mid midrange.  HE-400 has very up-front low-mid mids.  That's what you'll hear most with its sound signature, all the warm fundamentals of instruments.

 

Yea I figured, but for me warm... is flabby [to much low mid fundimentals and bass] where as dark would be a more linear Frq with a less aggressive central and upper mid Dip

 

Point being I need an He 500 already -.-, as I like a Dark low end and a bright top end. Add dark to Bright and you get balance [go figure] 

 

A good example is the K550, it's got a very dark low end, tight bass and a hump that extends into the low mids. Where as my w1000x is a little warmer, the bass is a touch looser on the w1000x, with more body or decay, That extra decay is what I would say makes a headphone sound "warm" where as "dark" would be an ideal balance of Attack and Decay. Going back to the warm w1000x it's got a nice attack on the mids, but a touch to much decay which makes it sound warmer than dark to my ears [that and I modded mine, got rid of some of the decay] 

 

Where as the K550 lacks some of that body, Still looking at the He 400 Grq Graph... DAMN that LINEAR LINE but

 

The He 400 seems to have a Dip n the Lower and Central treble much like the K550 which I found to have very dull treble... it was boring.

 

Where as the He 500 has a dip in treble closer to the Dt 990 [which has treble that I enjoy] 

 

So I'm just thinking the He 400  will be too dull or rather to dark for me in it's high end... warm was not the right word The Xb 700 is WARM on paper and on your ears 

 

THAT said I don't think it could replace the Dt 990, how ever the T90 and HE 500 are fighting for the role occupied by my Dt 880 q.q 

 

Bleh I wish I could 

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