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post #12676 of 18673
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Originally Posted by BODYHIGH View Post
 

 

Could you tell me about the mod you mentioned? Or has it been discussed earlier in the thread?

Also, I am pretty much 100% decided on the HE-400s as my next purchase. Really excited to hear them.

 

This :

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/646812/hifiman-he500-he400-jergpad-mod-v2-0-new-modulor-production-jergpads-impressions-added

 

You might not like the HE-400 that much on first impressions, I didn't.... But with some good EQ and the mods they are really excellent for electronic music, treble could be a bit less sibilant but you cannot get everything for that price, they do a lot of things very well though.

post #12677 of 18673

Seems like a bit of work...and it also seems like it's pretty much necessary considering the described sound improvement.

 

I don't think modding to that degree is for me, I'd be afraid to mess it up, or just to have not done it quite right.

post #12678 of 18673
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Originally Posted by BODYHIGH View Post
 

Seems like a bit of work...and it also seems like it's pretty much necessary considering the described sound improvement.

 

I don't think modding to that degree is for me, I'd be afraid to mess it up, or just to have not done it quite right.

 

Its quite easy really, also a new pair of pads costs £15 so not a problem if you mess up. You are only modding the pads not the headphones.

post #12679 of 18673
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Originally Posted by BODYHIGH View Post
 

Seems like a bit of work...and it also seems like it's pretty much necessary considering the described sound improvement.

 

I don't think modding to that degree is for me, I'd be afraid to mess it up, or just to have not done it quite right.


It's far from necessary.

I use my HE-400's with the stock velours and they sound excellent. The Jergmods alter the sound, but it's far from the incredible difference some make it out to be.

I found the difference minor, I also found the jergmod unwearable because of comfort issues, so I actually prefer the stock velours.

post #12680 of 18673
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


The 990 has a wider soundstage with cleaner positional cues, but the HE400 has a more natural sounding and deeper soundstage. Depth is something planars just own dynamics on.

 

Yea see Depth is something the Dt 990 lacks, on Width is wonderful... wondering how much I would enjoy the He 400 over the Dt 990... how much wider is the 880 over the He 400, or better yet is the He 400 at least wider than an K550? 

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Originally Posted by Mani ATH 87 View Post
 


It's far from necessary.

I use my HE-400's with the stock velours and they sound excellent. The Jergmods alter the sound, but it's far from the incredible difference some make it out to be.

I found the difference minor, I also found the jergmod unwearable because of comfort issues, so I actually prefer the stock velours.

 

Hmm how does leather work with these, I see people use J Money pads a lot, I see that the JegouarPad Mod puts the J Money on the side of "dry sterile and sibilant" which is apprently what I enjoy [dt 990 fan here]

 

I'm willing to bet with them jMoneys and a fully balanced He 400, I could get a really nice sound! 


Edited by Mshenay - 9/13/13 at 6:12am
post #12681 of 18673
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Originally Posted by Mani ATH 87 View Post
 


It's far from necessary.

I use my HE-400's with the stock velours and they sound excellent. The Jergmods alter the sound, but it's far from the incredible difference some make it out to be.

I found the difference minor, I also found the jergmod unwearable because of comfort issues, so I actually prefer the stock velours.

 

Don't agree.... The velours sound bad to me and the modded pleather pads sound a lot better.

post #12682 of 18673
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

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Originally Posted by Mani ATH 87 View Post
 


It's far from necessary.

I use my HE-400's with the stock velours and they sound excellent. The Jergmods alter the sound, but it's far from the incredible difference some make it out to be.

I found the difference minor, I also found the jergmod unwearable because of comfort issues, so I actually prefer the stock velours.

Don't agree.... The velours sound bad to me and the modded pleather pads sound a lot better.

+1. The jerg pads make a significant difference in my book. However, if your ears are hitting the drivers like Mani's, I'd probably prefer the velour pads too.

post #12683 of 18673
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Don't agree.... The velours sound bad to me and the modded pleather pads sound a lot better.

Different strokes for different folks.. Well you get the idea. smily_headphones1.gif

I tried the stock pleathers for well over a week before I installed the stock velours. Never looked back , I much prefer the hifimans with velours. Would definitely like to give Jergs pads a go sometime although I'm not much of a handyman when it comes to modding and tinkering pads. I also don't experience any of the treble issues people have mentioned on this thread.

Cheers
post #12684 of 18673
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Originally Posted by djevoultion View Post


Different strokes for different folks.. Well you get the idea. smily_headphones1.gif

I tried the stock pleathers for well over a week before I installed the stock velours. Never looked back , I much prefer the hifimans with velours. Would definitely like to give Jergs pads a go sometime although I'm not much of a handyman when it comes to modding and tinkering pads. I also don't experience any of the treble issues people have mentioned on this thread.

Cheers

 

I like the comfort and look of the velours..... But they lose a fair bit of bass and also they sound quite bright / sibilant / harsh compared to the modded pleathers. I guess the best thing would be the velour top mod but I cba to do that.

post #12685 of 18673
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

 

This :

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/646812/hifiman-he500-he400-jergpad-mod-v2-0-new-modulor-production-jergpads-impressions-added

 

You might not like the HE-400 that much on first impressions, I didn't.... But with some good EQ and the mods they are really excellent for electronic music, treble could be a bit less sibilant but you cannot get everything for that price, they do a lot of things very well though.

 

Not only for electronic but for all types of music with the right EQ because when EQed flat, these are unreal.

post #12686 of 18673
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

I like the comfort and look of the velours..... But they lose a fair bit of bass and also they sound quite bright / sibilant / harsh compared to the modded pleathers. I guess the best thing would be the velour top mod but I cba to do that.

They don't lose any bass... even measured the same all the way up to the upper mids, where the changes started being noticeable. Tons of comparisons, and the bass is just as strong with velours as with the pleather...

The main changes were the less upper mid recessions and less jaggedness in the treble, but still as prominent. It did mke the sound less muffled, which I guess can be seen as brighter. But it was more of a tonality change, not added treble.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 9/13/13 at 7:45am
post #12687 of 18673
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

 

I like the comfort and look of the velours..... But they lose a fair bit of bass and also they sound quite bright / sibilant / harsh compared to the modded pleathers. I guess the best thing would be the velour top mod but I cba to do that.

They don't lose any bass... even measured the same all the way up to the upper mids, where the changes started being noticeable. Tons of comparisons, and the bass is just as strong with velours as with the pleather...

The main changes were the less upper mid recessions and less jaggedness in the treble, but still as prominent. It did mke the sound less muffled, which I guess can be seen as brighter. But it was more of a tonality change, not added treble.

 

Modded pleathers = jerg pads with sub bass mod. These do increase bass and there are measurements to show that.

 

EDIT: I should say "sub bass". The adhesion mod doesn't increase the entire bass spectrum.


Edited by Thujone - 9/13/13 at 8:12am
post #12688 of 18673

Interesting how people hear differently....

 

To me the velours sound harsher (more "jagged" / etched treble) and lacking bass compared to the modded pleathers (holes, sub bass mods etc)....

 

I agree that for other genres, especially real instruments and vocals, you do not want to EQ as much because it messes with the harmonics etc. I have heard better headphones in the price range for genres such as rock, metal, films, classical etc. but for electronic music, soundtracks, rap etc. the HE-400 with EQ  and mods are awesome. These are the main genres I use the HE400 for and the others I mentioned I do not enjoy as much on the HE-400 as I have on other headphones, I prefer IEM's for genres like metal and rock for some reason.


Edited by nicholars - 9/13/13 at 8:41am
post #12689 of 18673
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

Interesting how people hear differently....

 

To me the velours sound harsher (more "jagged" / etched treble) and lacking bass compared to the modded pleathers (holes, sub bass mods etc)....

 

I agree that for other genres, especially real instruments and vocals, you do not want to EQ as much because it messes with the harmonics etc. I have heard better headphones in the price range for genres such as rock, metal, films, classical etc. but for electronic music, soundtracks, rap etc. the HE-400 with EQ  and mods are awesome. These are the main genres I use the HE400 for and the others I mentioned I do not enjoy as much on the HE-400 as I have on other headphones, I prefer IEM's for genres like metal and rock for some reason.

 

preferring "IEM's" doesn't make much sense without more info....they all have sound signatures as well.  specific IEM's?

 

i prefer my grados on a lot of metal/guitar based music, because of the tone on the guitar and the mid bass hump...but the 400's are clearly superior from a technical point

 

i do agree with you on the velours, i haven't modded my pleathers (i know, sacrilege around here :) but i prefer them to the also un-modded velours.  i keep meaning to get around to jerg-modding but honestly i'm just really happy with the sound so i used my spare time to mod my grados instead

post #12690 of 18673
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

 

Orthos don't just sound like they are out of one basket, to be honest. Some shared traits include exceptionally layered instrument separation, a strong sense of tactility in the overall sound (not just bass), and different (not necessarily better or worse) somewhat speaker-like kind of soundstage layout.

 

But different orthos can have very different tonal balances and sound signatures.

 

Specifically in terms of HE400, expect a polite but detail-oriented sound signature with a ball-gripping bass.

This may be the single best description of bass I have ever seen.

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