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post #12511 of 18083
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Originally Posted by MunkyNutz View Post
 

Yes, but are the neg reviews without Jermods and EQ...? What are we talking about, 400's straight out the box ? Then I thing most of the 400 lovers would agree that they need some geekery done to them to release the beast.

 

I think the Jergmods and some EQ consensus added to post #1 would save the same questions being asked over and over with these cans.Though the EQ debate is always good for a flare up of "89 posts since yesterday" in subscribed threads :blink:

 

Which neg reviews? If the headphones need modification to meet their exceptional ratings then I think that should be highlighted more. I think post #1 is pretty outstanding in its content (and brevity), with mention of jergpad mod already there, but some specifics/links on EQ'ing may be helpful too.

 

Also, regarding my post... I 'wanted' the HE-400s to be good. I was excited about buying new headphones and was keen to find the 'perfect pair', so there was a bias in my mind also which would have affected what I was reading... However, it still feels that the negatives were drowned out enough to diminish their significance (for me, anyway). My main gripes are the lack of comfort, poorly done cables and (foremost) the harsh treble.

post #12512 of 18083

I think before you write a negative review, you should add the Jergmods and EQ the headphones. Stock pads and no EQ the HE400 sound quite bad to me as well, with EQ and Jergmods they are a lot better. I agree the treble is too harsh but what is wrong with the cable?... Looks like a good quality cable to me....

post #12513 of 18083
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

I think before you write a negative review, you should add the Jergmods and EQ the headphones. Stock pads and no EQ the HE400 sound quite bad to me as well, with EQ and Jergmods they are a lot better. I agree the treble is too harsh but what is wrong with the cable?... Looks like a good quality cable to me....

 

I hadn't planned on writing a negative review. I've done Jergmod Pt I & II and played around with EQ a bit - but not enough to reach a solid conclusion (which is why I wouldn't be writing a review yet, myself). My cable broke - really easily - and I don't think this is too uncommon. Had it replaced under warranty but still had to pay postage, which was annoying.

post #12514 of 18083
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Originally Posted by gab840 View Post
 

What are the best Amplifier suitable for HE-400 in 150-300$ range ????

NFB-11.32 sounds great with HE-400

post #12515 of 18083
Thread Starter 

"Originally Posted by gab840 View Post
 

What are the best Amplifier suitable for HE-400 in 150-300$ range ????"

 

 

The he400 does not need as expensive amp which is part of it's allure. It does have the ability to "scale up" pretty well as do most planar's. It can sound good all the way down to the fiio e17. The audio gd products are also good. I personally like the A2 in your price range. 

 

gL!!

post #12516 of 18083

I find with the HE400 that the bass and midrange is excellent but the treble is quite horrible at times, basically what I do is heavily EQ the treble down and increase the bass and mids. Not perfect and I would rather have better treble but I have not found many better headphones for electronic music at the price I paid, I do not find them as good for other genres as some similar headphones such as HD650 or D2000 but the speed, detail, bass and mids are awesome for electronic music.

post #12517 of 18083
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

"Originally Posted by gab840 View Post
 

What are the best Amplifier suitable for HE-400 in 150-300$ range ????"

 

 

The he400 does not need as expensive amp which is part of it's allure. It does have the ability to "scale up" pretty well as do most planar's. It can sound good all the way down to the fiio e17. The audio gd products are also good. I personally like the A2 in your price range. 

 

gL!!

E17 can get HE-400 loud enough, but E12 sounds better.

post #12518 of 18083
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

The cable looks well built and I like the Oyaide jacks. But IMO I wouldn't put a silver cable on the he400. Just not a good idea.

Why is that? Just curious.

post #12519 of 18083
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post
 

Why is that? Just curious.

Too bright I would think.

post #12520 of 18083

Silver cables are brighter than copper cables? What is this sorcery?!

post #12521 of 18083
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

I find with the HE400 that the bass and midrange is excellent but the treble is quite horrible at times, basically what I do is heavily EQ the treble down and increase the bass and mids. Not perfect and I would rather have better treble but I have not found many better headphones for electronic music at the price I paid, I do not find them as good for other genres as some similar headphones such as HD650 or D2000 but the speed, detail, bass and mids are awesome for electronic music.

 

Don't EQ up bass. Rather, EQ down about 4~5dB from 0 to 400ish. EQ down 500 area down to around 3.5dBish. Leave the mids but just increase the upper mids (4KHz areaish?) a bit. Then decrease the trebles generally by around 2dB with specifically decreasing 8KHz by around 3dB. You will then have a neutral sounding, non fatiguing HE-400 with better transparency throughout the spectrum.

post #12522 of 18083
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post
 

Silver cables are brighter than copper cables? What is this sorcery?!

 

This is true at least with the experience I've had with IEMs. The more sensitive the can is, the more it reacts to cables I think.

post #12523 of 18083
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Originally Posted by jay567 View Post
 

 

Don't EQ up bass. Rather, EQ down about 4~5dB from 0 to 400ish. EQ down 500 area down to around 3.5dBish. Leave the mids but just increase the upper mids (4KHz areaish?) a bit. Then decrease the trebles generally by around 2dB with specifically decreasing 8KHz by around 3dB. You will then have a neutral sounding, non fatiguing HE-400 with better transparency throughout the spectrum.

 

I am a bit of a basshead with some genres so I like increased sub bass.... I don't EQ it up because the foobar EQ has a compensation feature so it does not go above 0. I have to EQ the treble by more like 5db so it does not physically hurt my ears.... It messes up the overall sound a bit but at least I do not get tinnitus! Thanks for the advice anyway.

post #12524 of 18083
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

 

I am a bit of a basshead with some genres so I like increased sub bass.... I don't EQ it up because the foobar EQ has a compensation feature so it does not go above 0. I have to EQ the treble by more like 5db so it does not physically hurt my ears.... It messes up the overall sound a bit but at least I do not get tinnitus! Thanks for the advice anyway.

 

That's the main problem I've had so far with EQ'ing. I haven't been able to EQ without it sounding as though it's been EQ'd! By that I mean the balance seems out of wack, or clarity is lost in the high-end. So far I'm presuming that's due to my poor EQ skills; I've tried other people's presets and attempted the proper EQ'ing guide here on the forums (but had trouble getting through it) though sadly I'm yet to have any real success. And with all the time I'd already spent researching the headphones and potential alternatives and reading various guides, plus time for modification and also sorting out my media player + library - I've so far lost patience with trying to get the headphones to a truly listenable and carefree state. Hence my lack of enthusiasm for them.

 

It's been good as a learning process and I've largely enjoyed being forced to get to know my HE-400s more intimately, but it reaches a point where it becomes frustrating and rather annoying to have to do so much work to get a professionally designed, moderately expensive pair of headphones to work well. I do believe in these headphones, and that they're quite exceptional to other people, I'm just yet to really get there myself.

post #12525 of 18083

Might be a 'getting used to it'k ind of deal.  For example, if you EQ a treble rolloff to make the HE-400's treble more neutral, on some songs you might notice a drastic difference right away, and it might sound veiled in comparison.  That's by no means a loss of detail or clarity though, it just means the more treble you have the more perceived clarity you have.  Give that EQ'd treble a good 10 minutes of listening though, and it'll quickly become your norm.

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