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I have yet to see any objective evidence to support headphone drivers "breaking in". I have read several articles that claim it's never been done though... so far, like I said, I haven't seen otherwise so it is very possible.

 

Really?  Here's some great information on the "burn-in" for dynamic drivers.  Maybe, orthodynamics are different with respect to this process.  However, the numbers are factual.

 

http://www.gr-research.com/burnin.htm

I've read a decent amount about speaker burn in, but nothing on headphone drivers. Since the dynamic speaker, whether it be in a headphone or just a speaker, performs in the same way, I would assume that the dynamic headphones drivers will "burn in" a little bit, but enough to change the sound dramatically like with speakers? I doubt it. The reason is because speakers move a lot more than headphone drivers do in order to push enough air to make sound for an entire room. This requires much more driver movement than a headphone driver does (I don't think that the displacement/dB ratio is linear either). Breaking in a speaker just makes more sense to me I guess. Planar magnetic drivers are a whole different ballgame too.

 

Thanks for the link, I haven't seen this article before.

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Speakers breaking in more than headphones...? Speakers do have to play very loud in comparison, but that means the changes of the driver movements have to be bigger as well for significant changes to happen.

 

Whatever...

post #12438 of 17912
There is a case for the rubber surroundings on conventional speakers loosening up, but theoretically that should happen within the first few hours, not some magical number like 300 that a lot of headfi members will claim fixes every major flaw with their favorite headphones.
post #12439 of 17912

HE-400 after a month of daily use......awesome! My 1st pair of Ortho's and I really like what I'm hearing.

BTW, these cans sound excellent without a dedicated headphone amplifier too.  

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Thanks Mani. I've experienced headphones sounding better over time as well. I was just wondering if anyone had read of conclusive tests being done on the phenomenon. So Jerg mod didn't work for you? Would you say you prefer standard velours over pleather and modded pleather?


I did all the steps to it except for the velour top mod part because I only have one set of velours (which I really like) and don't have access to another set if I had messed something up cutting them. 

I liked the jerg mod even thought the difference in sound was slight for me, they made the sound a little bit more airy which I kind of liked.

I found the comfort didn't work for me though. Taking the foam rings out of the pleather pads makes them super pliable and takes away pretty much any support or cushion. When I put on the headphones with the jerg mod my ears are basically pressed against the drivers and for me that doesn't work. Like I mentioned in the jerg mod thread, this is without the velour top mod which I'm sure would help with comfort. Based on the experience I had though I don't find that it would really be worth cutting up my velours to do it, the difference wasn't really substantial and I like the sound quality with the stock velours. 

As for the pleather vs velour, I prefer the velour for sound quality as well as comfort. I found the velours a bit stiff out of the box, but after a couple of weeks they feel much softer. To my ears the sound has a bit more impact and sounds a bit warmer, the pleather sounds brighter. I really don't like pleather or leather pads, they get warmer much quicker and I tend to sweat in them, not the case with the velours. I'm usually listening for long sessions so comfort is very important to me.  

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I did all the steps to it except for the velour top mod part because I only have one set of velours (which I really like) and don't have access to another set if I had messed something up cutting them. 

I liked the jerg mod even thought the difference in sound was slight for me, they made the sound a little bit more airy which I kind of liked.

I found the comfort didn't work for me though. Taking the foam rings out of the pleather pads makes them super pliable and takes away pretty much any support or cushion. When I put on the headphones with the jerg mod my ears are basically pressed against the drivers and for me that doesn't work. Like I mentioned in the jerg mod thread, this is without the velour top mod which I'm sure would help with comfort. Based on the experience I had though I don't find that it would really be worth cutting up my velours to do it, the difference wasn't really substantial and I like the sound quality with the stock velours. 

As for the pleather vs velour, I prefer the velour for sound quality as well as comfort. I found the velours a bit stiff out of the box, but after a couple of weeks they feel much softer. To my ears the sound has a bit more impact and sounds a bit warmer, the pleather sounds brighter. I really don't like pleather or leather pads, they get warmer much quicker and I tend to sweat in them, not the case with the velours. I'm usually listening for long sessions so comfort is very important to me.  

Thanks again smily_headphones1.gif

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Originally Posted by Mani ATH 87 View Post


I did all the steps to it except for the velour top mod part because I only have one set of velours (which I really like) and don't have access to another set if I had messed something up cutting them. 


I liked the jerg mod even thought the difference in sound was slight for me, they made the sound a little bit more airy which I kind of liked.


I found the comfort didn't work for me though. Taking the foam rings out of the pleather pads makes them super pliable and takes away pretty much any support or cushion. When I put on the headphones with the jerg mod my ears are basically pressed against the drivers and for me that doesn't work. Like I mentioned in the jerg mod thread, this is without the velour top mod which I'm sure would help with comfort. Based on the experience I had though I don't find that it would really be worth cutting up my velours to do it, the difference wasn't really substantial and I like the sound quality with the stock velours. 


As for the pleather vs velour, I prefer the velour for sound quality as well as comfort. I found the velours a bit stiff out of the box, but after a couple of weeks they feel much softer. To my ears the sound has a bit more impact and sounds a bit warmer, the pleather sounds brighter. I really don't like pleather or leather pads, they get warmer much quicker and I tend to sweat in them, not the case with the velours. I'm usually listening for long sessions so comfort is very important to me.  
I also didnt like the feel of the pleathers without the foam so I cut holes out of the foam. Why don't you try that? My problem now is that I also took the mesh off of the grills so combined with the jerg mod the sound is a little too airy now.
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I also didnt like the feel of the pleathers without the foam so I cut holes out of the foam. Why don't you try that? My problem now is that I also took the mesh off of the grills so combined with the jerg mod the sound is a little too airy now.

Definitely an option. Unfortunately I don't really like the pleathers in general, they get sweaty much easier then velours and I like the feel of the velour a good bit more.
post #12444 of 17912

Man, bumping the bass up 4-5 db with a gradual decline to 0 at 1000khz makes this headphone bump!

 

Jerg do you think this affects sound quality negatively? I'm having a great time with the bass right now and I feel guilty for some reason, like I could be sacrificing clarity for bass fun. 

post #12445 of 17912

Just as long as you lower the pre-amp on the EQ by that 4-5 db.

post #12446 of 17912
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Just as long as you lower the pre-amp on the EQ by that 4-5 db.

So the EQ settings are additive? I wasn't sure whether or not dropping the pre-amp could fix the issues from boosting specific frequencies.

post #12447 of 17912

Additive in which way?  I just recommend lowering the preamp to accommodate for the highest peak in your EQ so you won't distort or clip your headphones.

post #12448 of 17912

I just wasn't sure that dropping your pre-amp would fix the clipping issues caused by boosting specific frequencies. For example, dropping all frequencies except sub bass by 4dB vs. boosting sub bass by 4dB and dropping your pre-amp by 4dB. They have the exact same effect?

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Theoretically yes.

post #12450 of 17912
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Theoretically yes.

Ok, thank you. smily_headphones1.gif

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