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post #12226 of 17605

The thing is though you can't look at the fr charts of the two to compare their neutrality.  The thd in the D2000's bass plus the slow decay time by the minimally damped cups means it has way more bass than just a fr graph would indicate.  Lots of ringing in the upper mids and treble also gives it timbre issues too.  The mids of the D2000 sound cold and tinny while the treble sounds grounded and lacks air.  The tinny mids was a big reason why I favored the HE-400 over the D2000 actually.  Also as a whole, HE-400 has more mids than D2000.  Vocals, instruments are all more present within its entire sound compared to the D2000.

 

The big bass of the D2000 does play nice with some electronic and hip-hop for some people, but the HE-400's bass is easily EQ'd to those levels and impact.  

 

Only real nice thing I can say about D2000 these days is that it has great aesthetics and great short-term fit and comfort.


Edited by TMRaven - 8/16/13 at 10:13am
post #12227 of 17605

Yes you are probably right.... I would say the the HE400 is a good balance between my 2 favorites.... The hd650 and the D2000.... If I could only own one headphone out of those 3 it would have to be the HE400, although if I could afford 2 I would probably have the HD650 + D2000 over the HE400. Obviously I would rather have the D5/7000, but that would be like 3x the price of the HE400. Value for money and all round ability would have to go to the modded / EQ'd HE-400. Again I would like to raise my hat and give a pat on the back to jerg / modulor beerchug.gif darthsmile.giffor making these headphones go from decent to excellent, all for £240 which is what I paid second hand for the HE400 + some double sided sticky tape :D... I challenge anyone to get a better sound for £240 for modded HE-400 :D


Edited by nicholars - 8/16/13 at 10:29am
post #12228 of 17605

This may be the first time I have ever seen anyone talking about the "neutrality" of D2000.  It was (and still is to a point) popular due to its fun coloration.  I doubt anyone who did their research bought them because they were closer to neutral than another headphone they were considering.

 

Edit: Actually I think I misunderstood some of what I read up above.  No one said it was neutral, just something about how on the FR graph it looks "more neutral".  I will certainly say that the FR graph of D2000 vs. HE-400 looks way different than what you actually hear.  The D2000 mids sound a lot more recessed than HE-400 and the D2000 bass feels like there is a ton more than what you see on the graph.  Anyway, graphs are dangerous.  I ended up getting LCD-2 after looking at that very graph that was posted above, just with LCD-2 added.  And D2000 still feels like it has more bass than LCD-2, despite what any graph tells you!


Edited by haejuk - 8/16/13 at 11:01am
post #12229 of 17605
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Originally Posted by haejuk View Post

This may be the first time I have ever seen anyone talking about the "neutrality" of D2000.  It was (and still is to a point) popular due to its fun coloration.  I doubt anyone who did their research bought them because they were closer to neutral than another headphone they were considering.

 

I did not say the D2000 were neutral, I said they are V shaped, but also they are on paper more neutral than the HE400.... I would say the D2000 have enhanced bass, recessed mids and bright treble, but on the graphs they actually look more neutral than most headphones.... If someone said to me "what is the most neutral headphone" I would probably say the HD600.

post #12230 of 17605

Got it smily_headphones1.gif

 

Edited my previous post after I re-read a little of what was said.

post #12231 of 17605
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Originally Posted by haejuk View Post

This may be the first time I have ever seen anyone talking about the "neutrality" of D2000.  It was (and still is to a point) popular due to its fun coloration.  I doubt anyone who did their research bought them because they were closer to neutral than another headphone they were considering.

 

Edit: Actually I think I misunderstood some of what I read up above.  No one said it was neutral, just something about how on the FR graph it looks "more neutral".  I will certainly say that the FR graph of D2000 vs. HE-400 looks way different than what you actually hear.  The D2000 mids sound a lot more recessed than HE-400 and the D2000 bass feels like there is a ton more than what you see on the graph.  Anyway, graphs are dangerous.  I ended up getting LCD-2 after looking at that very graph that was posted above, just with LCD-2 added.  And D2000 still feels like it has more bass than LCD-2, despite what any graph tells you!

Just to note, where the FR graph sits on the y-axis is totally arbitrary. For example, if you plot the Audeze LCD2/2 vs. HE-400, the LCD's are about 6 dB above the HE-400 in the linear bass-mid range. This is NOT because the LCD's have more bass. This is because the volume that they were measured at is about 6 dB louder than the volume the HE-400's were measured at.

post #12232 of 17605

Also some of the FR graphs are heavily smoothed / compensated to the point they are almost wrong. Headroom for example.

post #12233 of 17605
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post

Just to note, where the FR graph sits on the y-axis is totally arbitrary. For example, if you plot the Audeze LCD2/2 vs. HE-400, the LCD's are about 6 dB above the HE-400 in the linear bass-mid range. This is NOT because the LCD's have more bass. This is because the volume that they were measured at is about 6 dB louder than the volume the HE-400's were measured at.


I am well aware of this.  But the extension on the LCD-2 bass was unlike any graph I had seen before, so I just had to check them out.

post #12234 of 17605
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I am well aware of this.  But the extension on the LCD-2 bass was unlike any graph I had seen before, so I just had to check them out.

 Was it a disappointment then? The LCD2?

post #12235 of 17605

Not at all.  It is exactly what I was looking for in an open headphone.  The overall sound is very smooth and non-fatiguing with great imaging.  The bass is of course much more detailed than D2000, it just doesn't rumble like the old Denons do.  On some genres I felt it to be a little bass-light compared to what I am used to, but it responds tremendously well to EQ.  I usually just drop the mids down about 1 or 2 dB and feel it is exactly how I like to listen.  If you were to try your HE-400 EDM EQ setting on LCD-2, I have a feeling that you would have nothing but a wall of bass.

post #12236 of 17605
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Originally Posted by haejuk View Post

Not at all.  It is exactly what I was looking for in an open headphone.  The overall sound is very smooth and non-fatiguing with great imaging.  The bass is of course much more detailed than D2000, it just doesn't rumble like the old Denons do.  On some genres I felt it to be a little bass-light compared to what I am used to, but it responds tremendously well to EQ.  I usually just drop the mids down about 1 or 2 dB and feel it is exactly how I like to listen.  If you were to try your HE-400 EDM EQ setting on LCD-2, I have a feeling that you would have nothing but a wall of bass.

Gotta try those LCD-2s out sometime tongue.gif Do you still have your HE-400?

post #12237 of 17605

I still have them.  But only because I am too lazy to post a classified, let alone go to the post office after selling!

 

And yes, we should have a mini-meet sometime.

post #12238 of 17605
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post

Gotta try those LCD-2s out sometime tongue.gif Do you still have your HE-400?

 

Heck, I'd be willing to rent them for a weekend.  Oh yeah ... that would make me happy.  Now, I just need to find out which street he's on in NoVA.  biggrin.gif  wink.gif

post #12239 of 17605
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Originally Posted by haejuk View Post

I still have them.  But only because I am too lazy to post a classified, let alone go to the post office after selling!

 

And yes, we should have a mini-meet sometime.

Sounds like a plan!  I'm free most weekends cool.gif

post #12240 of 17605

How easy are these mods to do for someone who isn't really mechanically inclined? I don't really want to butcher ear pads either...

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