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post #11926 of 17026

Hey guys, I just brought myself a set of HE-400's, should have them tomorrow hopefully smily_headphones1.gif I'm hoping they will go alright with my amp. Looking forward to finally hearing some orthodynamic's!

post #11927 of 17026

That's a nice amp and the HE-400 is a fun headphone so you should have a blast with that setup. 

Enjoy!

post #11928 of 17026
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

 

Nicholars, I don't hope you are talking about the STX as being a technically better DAC because it has a better DAC chip than so many other DACs in the same price range.. Because, I guess we both know that the DAC chip is not necessarily that important.

 

But anyway... I defo see your point, but you kind of make it sound like there is not better DAC under 300£ which seem pretty drastic. I suppose you haven't tried 'em all.

 

 

Ohh, I almost forgot.. Personally I think the e17 DAC is pretty mediocre. Really nothing special, just a decent allrounder. Just.. get something slightly better or look into some of those budget DACs... Like the hifimediy sabre DAC or something.

 

No I was just making the point that the STX is actually a good dac and is probably the best overall solution you can get for under £200.... If you have £250 or more to spend then there are better options but for under that amount I do not think that there is anything better than the STX as a DAC. I am not convinced that it is worth spending hundreds of pounds on a DAC though either... Although I may be wrong..


Edited by nicholars - 8/4/13 at 5:56pm
post #11929 of 17026

While the Xonar DG is a good product in its price range ($30), my experience is that a $100-$150 DAC and a $30-$50 headphone amp sound significantly better than a $30 DAC and a $300 headphone amp.

 

A Schiit Modi for $100 is going to be way better than any internal, simply because the asynchronous connection.

 

Personally, I would rather use an asynchronous DAC and $30 headphones (Senn 201s) than a $30 sound card and $1000 headphones.


Edited by kstuart - 8/4/13 at 6:22pm
post #11930 of 17026

E12 drives HE-400 a lot better than E17, and it's quite cheap.

post #11931 of 17026
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Originally Posted by kstuart View Post

While the Xonar DG is a good product in its price range ($30), my experience is that a $100-$150 DAC and a $30-$50 headphone amp sound significantly better than a $30 DAC and a $300 headphone amp.

 

A Schiit Modi for $100 is going to be way better than any internal, simply because the asynchronous connection.

 

Personally, I would rather use an asynchronous DAC and $30 headphones (Senn 201s) than a $30 sound card and $1000 headphones.


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post #11932 of 17026
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Originally Posted by kstuart View Post

While the Xonar DG is a good product in its price range ($30), my experience is that a $100-$150 DAC and a $30-$50 headphone amp sound significantly better than a $30 DAC and a $300 headphone amp.

 

A Schiit Modi for $100 is going to be way better than any internal, simply because the asynchronous connection.

 

Personally, I would rather use an asynchronous DAC and $30 headphones (Senn 201s) than a $30 sound card and $1000 headphones.

 

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post #11933 of 17026

An asynchronous DAC removes most of the jitter that is responsible for the "cold hard" sound of digital that causes people to buy vinyl and turntables in reaction.

 

A $1000 pair of headphones beautifully reproduces the cold hard crappy sound of the $30 DAC.

 

Musical Fidelity makes an asynchronous converter for non-USB connections they call the "V-Link".  This product always gets the same reaction as I posted above, so I just went to the Amazon reviews to find one.  This was posted four days ago, so I did not read it prior to posting the above:

 

" Inserting this between my old iMac and the Benchmark DAC1 was the biggest change/improvement in my audio system since moved to tubed amps almost 15 years ago. Highly recommended. "

 

another reviewer wrote:

 

" What is going on? Internet research yields technobabble about jitter and the need for asynchronous USB data transfer.  Enter the Musical Fidelity V-Link II.  In short...it works....great!
Detail, warmth, air, soundstage, ambience...all improved.  A great buy! "

 

That's for a $129 product that only makes a connection asynchronous.

 

Schiit includes the asynchronous technology in their $99 Modi DAC and HRT in their $149 MS2 DAC.

 

Internal sound cards can't sound as good.


Edited by kstuart - 8/4/13 at 9:13pm
post #11934 of 17026

"air, soundstage, ambience".... ah those old subjectivist chestnuts....

 

Maybe pro audio producers should ditch the soundcards and get async USB dac instead....


Edited by nicholars - 8/4/13 at 9:32pm
post #11935 of 17026

Ur so full of ****.  Even with my 09 iMac's onboard sound, there isn't a drastic difference with the magni/modi. 

 

An HE-400 or Mad Dogs out of an iMac vs a tinny hd201 out of any good dac?  I'd take the better headphones any day of the week.  Your post sounded like one big ad for musical fidelity products.

post #11936 of 17026

So let me get this straight, with regards to the HE-400, DAC FOR DAC,  E17 sucks, Modi, is good, and Xonar STX is best for under $200.

post #11937 of 17026
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Originally Posted by Omark12 View Post

So let me get this straight, with regards to the HE-400, DAC FOR DAC,  E17 sucks, Modi, is good, and Xonar STX is best for under $200.

 

I have not tried the Modi, but I would say you are getting more for the money with the STX.... I guess the temptation of having a little stack of nice looking boxes with the M/M stack must be strong though :p

post #11938 of 17026
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

"air, soundstage, ambience".... ah those old subjectivist chestnuts....

 

Maybe pro audio producers should ditch the soundcards and get async USB dac instead....

If you don't hear air, soundstage and ambience, then it doesn't matter what equipment you use, you might as well buy $30 everything.

 

If the pro audio producers are the same ones who brought us "Loudness Wars" and "Brickwalling" then it wouldn't surprise me if they can't hear anything either.

post #11939 of 17026
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

 

An HE-400 or Mad Dogs out of an iMac vs a tinny hd201 out of any good dac?  I'd take the better headphones any day of the week.

If you put a $10,000 dress on the ugliest girl at school, she is still the ugliest girl at school.

 

If you listen to a crap source out of $1,000 headphones, you are still listening to a crap source.

 

Source matters most.

post #11940 of 17026
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Originally Posted by kstuart View Post

If you put a $10,000 dress on the ugliest girl at school, she is still the ugliest girl at school.

 

If you listen to a crap source out of $1,000 headphones, you are still listening to a crap source.

 

Source matters most.

For what it's worth, I'd rather see the prettiest girl at school naked than in a $10,000 dress. 

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