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Originally Posted by Omark12 View Post

A Lyr costs more than the cans themselves, not sure if I can justify that. Actually, screw justification, I couldn't afford a Lyr even if I wanted one. What I can afford is maybe an E07k or E17. Since I already have amping covered for desktop operation with my magni, would either of them paired with the magni bring them to 97%?

 

The only way to justify the lyr purchase is if you have other cans that will benefit from it. 

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A Lyr costs more than the cans themselves, not sure if I can justify that. Actually, screw justification, I couldn't afford a Lyr even if I wanted one. What I can afford is maybe an E07k or E17. Since I already have amping covered for desktop operation with my magni, would either of them paired with the magni bring them to 97%?

 

What about a Xonar STX as your dac section and use the RCA > Magni....

 

The dac on the STX is pretty damn good.... Better than most external dac's under about £250 anyway.

 

Xonar STX > RCA > Schiit Magni > HE-400

post #11913 of 20631
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What about a Xonar STX as your dac section and use the RCA > Magni....

 

The dac on the STX is pretty damn good.... Better than most external dac's under about £250 anyway.

 

Xonar STX > RCA > Schiit Magni > HE-400

I have a Xonar DG and for some reason I just don't feel like an STX would make a huge difference... I'm using the same amp anyway. I'm trying to stay away from internal cards, an E07k/E17 wouldn't have an as good or better dac?

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I have a Xonar DG and for some reason I just don't feel like an STX would make a huge difference... I'm using the same amp anyway. I'm trying to stay away from internal cards, an E07k/E17 wouldn't have an as good or better dac?

The 'quality' of the DAC is probably essentially equal. My computer is crazy noisy (electrically) and I've tried a few different cards to no avail, but an external works perfect for me. YMMV I know a lot of guys use internals and they can be great I'm sure
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I have a Xonar DG and for some reason I just don't feel like an STX would make a huge difference... I'm using the same amp anyway. I'm trying to stay away from internal cards, an E07k/E17 wouldn't have an as good or better dac?

 

If you have a decent PC with a decent PSU and case then personally I think the STX is a better option. However if you are set on an external dac then I probably won't be able to change your mind because you want an external box.

 

With an STX you are actually getting a very good DAC with EM shielding and also an excellent power supply (if you have a good PSU in your PC)... Also has a lot of other features such as dolby headphone etc. With a Fiio for example you are getting a worse power supply, paying money for the external casing, less features and a worse actual dac....

 

If you want to spend like £300 then you could get a better external dac than the STX but with your budget I would not bother because you will get bigger improvements from other components.


Edited by nicholars - 8/4/13 at 10:32am
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If you have a decent PC with a decent PSU and case then personally I think the STX is a better option. However if you are set on an external dac then I probably won't be able to change your mind because you want an external box.

 

With an STX you are actually getting a very good DAC with EM shielding and also an excellent power supply (if you have a good PSU in your PC)... Also has a lot of other features such as dolby headphone etc. With a Fiio for example you are getting a worse power supply, paying money for the external casing, less features and a worse actual dac....

 

If you want to spend like £300 then you could get a better external dac than the STX but with your budget I would not bother because you will get bigger improvements from other components.

 

Oh believe me I'm an avid dolby headphone user, but even with my current card I could have it stream DH through wave to an external DAC like the E17/E07k. And why does power suppy matter if I'm using a magni?

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Oh believe me I'm an avid dolby headphone user, but even with my current card I could have it stream DH through wave to an external DAC like the E17/E07k. And why does power suppy matter if I'm using a magni?

 

Well one of the things that you will get on more expensive dac's is a better power supply... Better dacs have a dedicated supply whereas cheaper ones have a power brick / plug.... I do not know how much of a real world difference it makes.... But that is one of the things you are paying for with a high end dac... Better power supply... If you are using a good PSU in your PC then the STX is using a high quality power source.... Better than a power brick on a cheap external dac anyway...

 

BTW I went through a few different external dacs under £300 before I "downgraded" to a Xonar STX.... So I am not just mindlessly hyping the STX. IMO any external DAC under about £250-£300, you are paying the money for a pretty case, buttons, connections etc. and the actual performance will not be any better or possible worse than the STX.... Probably some of the expensive dac's are better, I have not tried them....


Edited by nicholars - 8/4/13 at 11:44am
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Well one of the things that you will get on more expensive dac's is a better power supply... Better dacs have a dedicated supply whereas cheaper ones have a power brick / plug.... I do not know how much of a real world difference it makes.... But that is one of the things you are paying for with a high end dac... Better power supply... If you are using a good PSU in your PC then the STX is using a high quality power source.... Better than a power brick on a cheap external dac anyway...

Well if this makes more sense for why not to have the STX, I'm running a 4 year old PC. Core 2 Duo, DDR2 ram, 550 watt psu.

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Well if this makes more sense for why not to have the STX, I'm running a 4 year old PC. Core 2 Duo, DDR2 ram, 550 watt psu.

 

Hmm well as I said if you have your mind set on an external box then I will probably not change your mind...

 

The quality of the components is not the issue, if you have a decent PC case and a good PSU from a good brand.

 

I only have a core2quad and a 650w antec PSU...

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With an STX you are actually getting a very good DAC with EM shielding and also an excellent power supply (if you have a good PSU in your PC)... Also has a lot of other features such as dolby headphone etc. With a Fiio for example you are getting a worse power supply, paying money for the external casing, less features and a worse actual dac....

 

Nicholars, I don't hope you are talking about the STX as being a technically better DAC because it has a better DAC chip than so many other DACs in the same price range.. Because, I guess we both know that the DAC chip is not necessarily that important.

 

But anyway... I defo see your point, but you kind of make it sound like there is not better DAC under 300£ which seem pretty drastic. I suppose you haven't tried 'em all.

 

 

Ohh, I almost forgot.. Personally I think the e17 DAC is pretty mediocre. Really nothing special, just a decent allrounder. Just.. get something slightly better or look into some of those budget DACs... Like the hifimediy sabre DAC or something.


Edited by davidsh - 8/4/13 at 3:44pm
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Hey guys, I just brought myself a set of HE-400's, should have them tomorrow hopefully smily_headphones1.gif I'm hoping they will go alright with my amp. Looking forward to finally hearing some orthodynamic's!

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That's a nice amp and the HE-400 is a fun headphone so you should have a blast with that setup. 

Enjoy!

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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

 

Nicholars, I don't hope you are talking about the STX as being a technically better DAC because it has a better DAC chip than so many other DACs in the same price range.. Because, I guess we both know that the DAC chip is not necessarily that important.

 

But anyway... I defo see your point, but you kind of make it sound like there is not better DAC under 300£ which seem pretty drastic. I suppose you haven't tried 'em all.

 

 

Ohh, I almost forgot.. Personally I think the e17 DAC is pretty mediocre. Really nothing special, just a decent allrounder. Just.. get something slightly better or look into some of those budget DACs... Like the hifimediy sabre DAC or something.

 

No I was just making the point that the STX is actually a good dac and is probably the best overall solution you can get for under £200.... If you have £250 or more to spend then there are better options but for under that amount I do not think that there is anything better than the STX as a DAC. I am not convinced that it is worth spending hundreds of pounds on a DAC though either... Although I may be wrong..


Edited by nicholars - 8/4/13 at 5:56pm
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While the Xonar DG is a good product in its price range ($30), my experience is that a $100-$150 DAC and a $30-$50 headphone amp sound significantly better than a $30 DAC and a $300 headphone amp.

 

A Schiit Modi for $100 is going to be way better than any internal, simply because the asynchronous connection.

 

Personally, I would rather use an asynchronous DAC and $30 headphones (Senn 201s) than a $30 sound card and $1000 headphones.


Edited by kstuart - 8/4/13 at 6:22pm
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E12 drives HE-400 a lot better than E17, and it's quite cheap.

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