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post #11851 of 20481

The LCD2 is even heavier and unconfortable. Add that to the fact that it has more bass(more than I'd desire) and less treble than the HE-500 and you have a very claustrophobic feeling which puts me far away from that headphone.

LCD2 is one of those Head-fi favorites which I really don't like, at all.

post #11852 of 20481

Speaking of the Audeze LCD-2 and the rest of their line too.  I find it interesting how Audeze does ship a frequency chart with each headphone.  As we can see in this process, there are variances between each set of headphone that gets produced on measured by them.  Then, the final question is - how much of those variances can be heard and interpreted by our own ears?

 

Placing that aside, I then wonder how much variance there might be with each of our HE-400 headphones?  We might be looking at charts from Purrin, Headphone.com as well as those from Tyll.  But, in each of those cases, the chart is only as good as the particular headphone that was measured.  The rest of us could have readings that vary a bit from those published charts.

 

Again, I think the same case applies here.  I wonder if those variances are enough that one could tell the difference between the signature of two different pair of HE-400 headphones?  Or, are the variances so small that our own human ears may never detect or decipher the variance?

post #11853 of 20481

For those of you who have discomfort from the weight on your head and not necessarily strain from on your neck, definitely check out GREQs 'comfy strap' mod from earlier in the thread.  The weight itself was never really a big problem for me on either the HE-400 or HE-500, but I think I have an odd shaped head because the stock headband would put pressure on one point in the middle.  GREQs mod seems to distribute weight much better than any other headband add-on I've tried (and I even went so far as to make my own design at one point).  It's simple to do and easy to remove, and it makes those long listening sessions much more enjoyable. biggrin.gif

 

post #11854 of 20481
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post

For those of you who have discomfort from the weight on your head and not necessarily strain from on your neck, definitely check out GREQs 'comfy strap' mod from earlier in the thread.  The weight itself was never really a big problem for me on either the HE-400 or HE-500, but I think I have an odd shaped head because the stock headband would put pressure on one point in the middle.  GREQs mod seems to distribute weight much better than any other headband add-on I've tried (and I even went so far as to make my own design at one point).  It's simple to do and easy to remove, and it makes those long listening sessions much more enjoyable. biggrin.gif

 

 

That looks very very nice, and comfortable! Are these for sale anywhere, I need to buy one.

post #11855 of 20481
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Originally Posted by wje View Post

Speaking of the Audeze LCD-2 and the rest of their line too.  I find it interesting how Audeze does ship a frequency chart with each headphone.  As we can see in this process, there are variances between each set of headphone that gets produced on measured by them.  Then, the final question is - how much of those variances can be heard and interpreted by our own ears?

 

Placing that aside, I then wonder how much variance there might be with each of our HE-400 headphones?  We might be looking at charts from Purrin, Headphone.com as well as those from Tyll.  But, in each of those cases, the chart is only as good as the particular headphone that was measured.  The rest of us could have readings that vary a bit from those published charts.

 

Again, I think the same case applies here.  I wonder if those variances are enough that one could tell the difference between the signature of two different pair of HE-400 headphones?  Or, are the variances so small that our own human ears may never detect or decipher the variance?

 

Good question. But I have not been able to hear any perceivable difference between the latest revision of the he400 (I've had several). It would be nice though if companies like Audeze let you cherry pick your pair based on the frequency chart. Heck, at that price point you ought to be catered to. 

post #11856 of 20481
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Very nice Wayne!! For those who might be interested here is the he-4 cable shortened by 2 feet with Oyaide plug added.

Missed this earlier, that looks really good too!  HiFiMan should really make the investment and make all their OFC cables sleeved like this.

post #11857 of 20481
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That looks very very nice, and comfortable! Are these for sale anywhere, I need to buy one.

You'll have to contact GREQ - he made a few for some users, and may consider making you one if you ask him nicely. smily_headphones1.gif  I just made my own (with his permission of course) but I need to revise mine eventually, as I made the band a bit too short.  Still, way more comfortable!

post #11858 of 20481

I also get all the pressure on top of my head from headbands which makes heavy headphones especially uncomfortable.  Since I got HE-400 I have had a sore spot on the top of my head.  A couple weeks ago I also got an LCD-2 and now I get radiating pain from the top of my head causing headaches.  I am not quite sure if I will be able to deal with the weight of these headphones going forward, but I am taking a week off and trying again.  I am sure I can get used to it because my D2000 also caused me pain on the top of my head at first.  I actually find the audio technica "wing" design to be far more comfortable than any other headband I have ever tried because it puts no pressure on the top of my head. 

post #11859 of 20481

The wing system is great, definitely.

 

As far as the he-400 headband, I'd give it some time, because it's so flat and wide that it distributes weight very well.  LCD2 headband is bumped and gave me areas of pain too, as well as the D2000 headband.

post #11860 of 20481
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Originally Posted by haejuk View Post

I also get all the pressure on top of my head from headbands which makes heavy headphones especially uncomfortable.  Since I got HE-400 I have had a sore spot on the top of my head.  A couple weeks ago I also got an LCD-2 and now I get radiating pain from the top of my head causing headaches.  I am not quite sure if I will be able to deal with the weight of these headphones going forward, but I am taking a week off and trying again.  I am sure I can get used to it because my D2000 also caused me pain on the top of my head at first.  I actually find the audio technica "wing" design to be far more comfortable than any other headband I have ever tried because it puts no pressure on the top of my head. 

I can wear the HE-400's for a lifetime without issues but I couldn't wear the DT770 for more than 20 minutes without them hurting the top of my head. Oh the irony...

post #11861 of 20481

I don't have any issues with pressure or clamp force either. My main issue is the weight. My neck gets a little tired after an hour or so of continuous use. But I'm starting to get used to it

I'm talking about the HE-500, btw. HE-400 weight is fine.

post #11862 of 20481
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Originally Posted by haejuk View Post

I also get all the pressure on top of my head from headbands which makes heavy headphones especially uncomfortable.  Since I got HE-400 I have had a sore spot on the top of my head.  A couple weeks ago I also got an LCD-2 and now I get radiating pain from the top of my head causing headaches.  I am not quite sure if I will be able to deal with the weight of these headphones going forward, but I am taking a week off and trying again.  I am sure I can get used to it because my D2000 also caused me pain on the top of my head at first.  I actually find the audio technica "wing" design to be far more comfortable than any other headband I have ever tried because it puts no pressure on the top of my head. 

Wow ! I am listening to the LCD 2.2 right now and I only feel pressure around my ears but none on top of my head. And I am, well, folically challenged !

post #11863 of 20481
Thread Starter 

^^ Well that's somewhat strange. And also odd that the d2k caused haejuk discomfort. Just goes to show that we are all different. I'm less sensitive to the pressure on the top of the head but more sensitive to the weight and strain on my neck with heavy hp's. Unfortunately for me, the only real answer for my issue is less weight. 

post #11864 of 20481

The D2k caused me discomfort when I first got it and now mild discomfort because of the soreness from the planars.  Before I got HE-400 I could wear D2k forever with no discomfort at all.  Everything takes some time to get used to, but I have also been kind of sick for like 2 weeks (since the day before my LCD-2 arrived) which could have also compounded the pain on the top of my head.  Here's hoping I get used to it soon!  Or I may have to sell my LA2k and get myself a W1000x to give that spot on my head a break from time to time.

post #11865 of 20481
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Good question. But I have not been able to hear any perceivable difference between the latest revision of the he400 (I've had several). It would be nice though if companies like Audeze let you cherry pick your pair based on the frequency chart. Heck, at that price point you ought to be catered to. 

 

Actually, for a while, Justin (HeadAmp) had made the charts for each Audeze that he had available.  But, it ended quite quickly as I recall.  I suspect the whole issue of people being picky, and then potentially flip-flopping before the order was shipped could have been crazy to manage.

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