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Originally Posted by wje View Post

  Comfort also plays another perspective.  If I don't want to have the heavier HifiMans on my head, the Sennheiser fills in nicely during those moments.

+1 This was the logic for me to keep the HD650s around for a long time even after having the HE-500/LCD-2. Even today I sometimes wish to have them back for this very reason. My neck is super trained now, but there are days when I feel weak after a few hours.

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You know, you are probably right.  It doesn't help that I have been listening to (and getting accustomed to) closed back headphones with an emphasis toward the dark side. rolleyes.gif

 

I'll try using a darker tube to "smooth" it out.  Might even attempt to make Jergpads if I end up keeping them.

If you only had them for a short time, this is something to be expected.

I had the same problem with them when i first got them. I tested them with the Fiio E17+E9 combo and i returned the Fiio E9 the day after becouse it sounded really bad for me.

After months of listening to this headphone i feel that it finally sounds the way i wanted (warm amp).

I did lower the treble in some games but i actually learned to enjoy the treble spike on these in certain recordings (took me 5 month moreless thou).

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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

+1 This was the logic for me to keep the HD650s around for a long time even after having the HE-500/LCD-2. Even today I sometimes wish to have them back for this very reason. My neck is super trained now, but there are days when I feel weak after a few hours.


I thought the weight difference between HE-400 and HE-500 would be irrelevant, but it's quite noticeable actually. Never imagined 60g could make such a difference.

Fortunately, It seems I'm starting to get used to it.

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I'm very sensitive to weight and I can certainly feel the difference between the 400 and 500. The weight is the reason that I don't own the lcd2. frown.gif  I like to listen for at least an hour, sometimes much more at one sitting. I almost never listen to less than one album. At the end of an album, I couldn't wait to get the he500/lcd2 off my head. But hey, we are all different. 

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We are all different for sure, I can't tell the difference in weight between the he400 and he500 on my head, but I can tell a big difference between the hifiman vs all other headphones I owned/tried.
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The LCD2 is even heavier and unconfortable. Add that to the fact that it has more bass(more than I'd desire) and less treble than the HE-500 and you have a very claustrophobic feeling which puts me far away from that headphone.

LCD2 is one of those Head-fi favorites which I really don't like, at all.

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Speaking of the Audeze LCD-2 and the rest of their line too.  I find it interesting how Audeze does ship a frequency chart with each headphone.  As we can see in this process, there are variances between each set of headphone that gets produced on measured by them.  Then, the final question is - how much of those variances can be heard and interpreted by our own ears?

 

Placing that aside, I then wonder how much variance there might be with each of our HE-400 headphones?  We might be looking at charts from Purrin, Headphone.com as well as those from Tyll.  But, in each of those cases, the chart is only as good as the particular headphone that was measured.  The rest of us could have readings that vary a bit from those published charts.

 

Again, I think the same case applies here.  I wonder if those variances are enough that one could tell the difference between the signature of two different pair of HE-400 headphones?  Or, are the variances so small that our own human ears may never detect or decipher the variance?

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For those of you who have discomfort from the weight on your head and not necessarily strain from on your neck, definitely check out GREQs 'comfy strap' mod from earlier in the thread.  The weight itself was never really a big problem for me on either the HE-400 or HE-500, but I think I have an odd shaped head because the stock headband would put pressure on one point in the middle.  GREQs mod seems to distribute weight much better than any other headband add-on I've tried (and I even went so far as to make my own design at one point).  It's simple to do and easy to remove, and it makes those long listening sessions much more enjoyable. biggrin.gif

 

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For those of you who have discomfort from the weight on your head and not necessarily strain from on your neck, definitely check out GREQs 'comfy strap' mod from earlier in the thread.  The weight itself was never really a big problem for me on either the HE-400 or HE-500, but I think I have an odd shaped head because the stock headband would put pressure on one point in the middle.  GREQs mod seems to distribute weight much better than any other headband add-on I've tried (and I even went so far as to make my own design at one point).  It's simple to do and easy to remove, and it makes those long listening sessions much more enjoyable. biggrin.gif

 

 

That looks very very nice, and comfortable! Are these for sale anywhere, I need to buy one.

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Speaking of the Audeze LCD-2 and the rest of their line too.  I find it interesting how Audeze does ship a frequency chart with each headphone.  As we can see in this process, there are variances between each set of headphone that gets produced on measured by them.  Then, the final question is - how much of those variances can be heard and interpreted by our own ears?

 

Placing that aside, I then wonder how much variance there might be with each of our HE-400 headphones?  We might be looking at charts from Purrin, Headphone.com as well as those from Tyll.  But, in each of those cases, the chart is only as good as the particular headphone that was measured.  The rest of us could have readings that vary a bit from those published charts.

 

Again, I think the same case applies here.  I wonder if those variances are enough that one could tell the difference between the signature of two different pair of HE-400 headphones?  Or, are the variances so small that our own human ears may never detect or decipher the variance?

 

Good question. But I have not been able to hear any perceivable difference between the latest revision of the he400 (I've had several). It would be nice though if companies like Audeze let you cherry pick your pair based on the frequency chart. Heck, at that price point you ought to be catered to. 

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Very nice Wayne!! For those who might be interested here is the he-4 cable shortened by 2 feet with Oyaide plug added.

Missed this earlier, that looks really good too!  HiFiMan should really make the investment and make all their OFC cables sleeved like this.

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That looks very very nice, and comfortable! Are these for sale anywhere, I need to buy one.

You'll have to contact GREQ - he made a few for some users, and may consider making you one if you ask him nicely. smily_headphones1.gif  I just made my own (with his permission of course) but I need to revise mine eventually, as I made the band a bit too short.  Still, way more comfortable!

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I also get all the pressure on top of my head from headbands which makes heavy headphones especially uncomfortable.  Since I got HE-400 I have had a sore spot on the top of my head.  A couple weeks ago I also got an LCD-2 and now I get radiating pain from the top of my head causing headaches.  I am not quite sure if I will be able to deal with the weight of these headphones going forward, but I am taking a week off and trying again.  I am sure I can get used to it because my D2000 also caused me pain on the top of my head at first.  I actually find the audio technica "wing" design to be far more comfortable than any other headband I have ever tried because it puts no pressure on the top of my head. 

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The wing system is great, definitely.

 

As far as the he-400 headband, I'd give it some time, because it's so flat and wide that it distributes weight very well.  LCD2 headband is bumped and gave me areas of pain too, as well as the D2000 headband.

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Originally Posted by haejuk View Post

I also get all the pressure on top of my head from headbands which makes heavy headphones especially uncomfortable.  Since I got HE-400 I have had a sore spot on the top of my head.  A couple weeks ago I also got an LCD-2 and now I get radiating pain from the top of my head causing headaches.  I am not quite sure if I will be able to deal with the weight of these headphones going forward, but I am taking a week off and trying again.  I am sure I can get used to it because my D2000 also caused me pain on the top of my head at first.  I actually find the audio technica "wing" design to be far more comfortable than any other headband I have ever tried because it puts no pressure on the top of my head. 

I can wear the HE-400's for a lifetime without issues but I couldn't wear the DT770 for more than 20 minutes without them hurting the top of my head. Oh the irony...

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