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Originally Posted by modulor View Post

Oh no, I agree on most of your points, except when the products are shipped out they all have (relatively) the same tuning which I'd believe to be that model's intended signature.  I'm aware that in the R&D stage when they were developing this new 'mass produced' style driver that there were highly likely any given number of unexpected results that they had to further tune and adjust, but there was indeed a particular goal in mind.  To quote Fang: "To be honest, we did tune HE-400 more "American sound" than HE-500." Based on my usage of it, I'd agree that's the signature it has - weightier bass and emphasized treble - which is perfect for hip hop, electronic and pop music.  The upper mids dip is intentional and aids in pinpointing instrumentation and gives a sense of air, but the entire FR is not so aggressively curved that it's overly colored.  I'd say it's still flatter than most, but also remains very unique and well suited for certain genres.  Their production cost was was kept low in redeveloping how the drivers were manufactured, while still presumably allowing similar funding for R&D as their other models...I don't think they really cut many corners in the tuning process, especially when they've revised the driver a few times now.  I think with upcoming models and further refining their processes, we may see more cost effective solutions with smoother/better/refined/different presentations, but there are still people out there that enjoy their HE-400 just as it is.

Indeed. Those are the intended aspects. I especially like how the HE-400 bass is done; it's not overly bloomy, with just the perfect decay. The bass never sounds like it's encroaching upon the midrange. The unintended are the spikes/dips in the treble. You can emphasize certain treble ranges without having spikes/dips. Fortunately, these are very easily remedied with a parametric EQ, for a smoother treble and more accurate timbre.

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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

 

 

I would be interested in how to do a system wide EQ using a program? I am not sure what to use... Currently I use foobar 31 band EQ for music and the Xonar STX EQ for games.

 

I'm currently using this for system wide EQ. With foobar I stick with Electri-Q though..

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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

I'm currently using this for system wide EQ. With foobar I stick with Electri-Q though..

That's also the one I use for system-wide EQ, Equalizer APO that is. Electri-Q is fine, but what's the point of using two programs when one can handle it all? Anywho, APO is awesome. I love the ability to EQ both left and right channels separately, as I have yet to see a pair of headphones that doesn't have some channel imbalance. I guess that's just another reason to use EQ! ^^ Cheers.

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That's also the one I use for system-wide EQ, Equalizer APO that is. Electri-Q is fine, but what's the point of using two programs when one can handle it all? Anywho, APO is awesome. I love the ability to EQ both left and right channels separately, as I have yet to see a pair of headphones that doesn't have some channel imbalance. I guess that's just another reason to use EQ! ^^ Cheers.

 

I suppose you're right in that there's no point in using two EQs, but I do it just for the security. When im listening to music in foobar I want to use WASAPI, but when WASAPI is enabled in foobar then EqualizerAPO is disabled. So I just use Electri-Q in foobar and APO for everything else like gaming and youtube. The program really is a life saver.

post #11690 of 18083

Thanks... Is that EQ the best free one available?
 

post #11691 of 18083

It's the only system wide EQ I've come across for Windows. But it is most definitely not the most user friendly.

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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

Gawd, you don't need to splurge big money! Where does that misconception come from?

 

An HE60 with the HEV70 amp was sold at a great, great price a couple of days ago btw. 

 

 

You should try it some time...

 

Okay, I'll bite. What was the great price?

Going a bit further into it, I have found that one of the drivers was way more quiet than the other, and the amp needed servicing (which sennheiser will do for a good price). The final price was 800$.

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Originally Posted by jmsaxon69 View Post

I must admit, I enjoy dumping fuel on the fire and watching you guys burn each other...

 

The key to all this stuff is to not give a **** what anyone thinks of your stuff and how you listen to it. It doesn't matter.

 

I'm guilty of being an instigator, I will take some blame for some of the stuff going on here, I'll stop....

 

Remember everyone is smart and everyone is special! Some more special than others, if you know what i mean! haha!

I'd say you should remember being open and willing to learn, and think about the possible pros and cons of a subject (could be EQ'ing)

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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

I'd say you should remember being open and willing to learn, and think about the possible pros and cons of a subject (could be EQ'ing)

Okay then, I'll tell you what, I am willing to experiment with it today and see what I think. I never want to be closed minded to anything, as they say "I'll try anything once". I will enable the EQ in JRiver, if I hit the button to enable it and it destroys my soundstage, puts a haze in my transparency or makes the AMAZING depth i am getting right now go away, basically effects the sound in ANY way, I'm going to give you guys the "told ya so!" big time. If it doesn't I will say I was wrong and we'll all have a group cyber hug. I'll report back a bit later today....
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Just make sure to EQ down.

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So before I conduct my little experiment I am still listening to the SACD player, I am listening to one of my favorite albums, Steely Dan "Aja" this was one of the fist things I listened to upon getting my HE-400 a week ago.  The title track is a long piece that has a great drum solo in the middle and towards the end, it was the first time I heard "the treble issue" with the HE-400 and knew what everyone was talking about.  During these fantastic drum flurries the drummer keeps hitting a small splash cymbal over and over again, when I first got the HE-400 these cymbal strikes were PAINFUL, just amazingly exaggerated and forced.  A week's worth of 'burn in" later and maybe just some good system matching(I have a Schiit Audio Lyr now that hasn't stopped playing music or pink noise since i got it yesterday at 4:30 PM) and this track sounds amazing now, those splash cymbals are transparent and awesome sounding!  If you have that album in you collection check it out and see what you think, let me know what you hear.  I am listening to the remastered CD, nothing special or out of the ordinary....

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Originally Posted by jmsaxon69 View Post


Okay then, I'll tell you what, I am willing to experiment with it today and see what I think. I never want to be closed minded to anything, as they say "I'll try anything once". I will enable the EQ in JRiver, if I hit the button to enable it and it destroys my soundstage, puts a haze in my transparency or makes the AMAZING depth i am getting right now go away, basically effects the sound in ANY way, I'm going to give you guys the "told ya so!" big time. If it doesn't I will say I was wrong and we'll all have a group cyber hug. I'll report back a bit later today....

 

Well that would be your opinion or perceptions vs fact. Not sure if the jriver EQ works properly though I have not used it.


Edited by nicholars - 7/27/13 at 7:55am
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

 

Well that would be your opinion or perceptions vs fact. Not sure if the jriver EQ works properly though I have not used it.


If I can't hear any difference that will to me be a fact, if I do hear a degradation that will be a fact also.  Are you making excuses for the EQ already? tongue.gif

 

So which one should i use, it has to be free....


Edited by jmsaxon69 - 7/27/13 at 8:21am
post #11699 of 18083

I've only heard the HE-400's on three different amps but I can certainly tell that the Lyr mates very well with this headphone. The Lyr also made my K701's a lot more dynamic and fuller sounding so I do believe the amp used can make a big difference.

 

Some have said "well, I'm getting plenty of volume from my *name the portable device* with HE-400" but I assume that just like speakers, just because you're getting enough volume doesn't mean that the headphone or speaker is getting enough juice to be controlled/driven properly. 

post #11700 of 18083

I was just looking up the info on the Equalizer built into the J.River Media Center (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Equalizer) and then wondered if anyone here has tried/used the "Crossfeed" function in J.River? 

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