Originally Posted by jmsaxon69
So one last question, So if I follow some of you guy's logic, I guess you re EQ for every album then? or is it every song?
That's totally up to you. I wouldn't do that, unless it's for a song that I really love but was poorly recorded enough. Haven't heard such a song, though.
Originally Posted by M-13
Saying EQ does not effect the sound negatively is a "fact" sounds pretty stupid to me. I'm sure that's your opinion and not "fact" nicholars.
Didn't we already go through this a few pages back? The reason EQ can negatively effect the sound is that it messes with harmonics in other frequencies that you did not EQ, which messes with timbre and who knows what else from the harmonics being supressed or increased in all directions of the frequency response as they reverberate through out it.
What about the LCD-2 then or other dark headphones? What about EQ being applied during music production?
My answer: When EQ is applied during production the production engineer can monitor to see if EQing has effected the timbre in a negative way. Either he's got sophisticated equipment or he has good enough ears/training to tell if his EQing has negatively impacted the sound. If it passes his test then it goes into production. Same thing when creating the LCD-2 or any other dark headphone. They can boost other parts of the frequency response to correct any timbre issues that are caused by the blatant coloration. These guys are NOT using free software found on the Internet or just doing it randomly
Now this is different from some amateur EQing at home using free software. Professionals use expensive professional equipement and they have the right training/experience to gauge the effects of their meddling/EQing, but most people who own the HE-400 don't have any of this.
TMRaven/Nicholars. Just because you never hear any disadvantages from EQing doesn't mean others will not. Perhaps you did use the right programs and the right amount of EQ to really minimize the possible effects, but then again perhaps you didn't. We don't know that and whatever you say otherwise is just your opinion. Many of us would rather not find out either way and just listen to the phones the way they were tuned to begin with or buy something else if we find it offensive.
No need for slander here. Stupid or not, you're not forced to believe it, so there's no need for such negative remarks.
"The reason EQ can negatively effect the sound is that it messes with harmonics in other frequencies that you did not EQ, which messes with timbre." I think you are confused about something here. You have to understand that a headphone's FR already affects all harmonics of a sound, and changing the intensity of each frequency region is supposed to affect all harmonics that vibrate at those frequencies. In other words, if a headphone's FR has unwanted peaks, spikes, valleys, and dips, those anomalies are already affecting the harmonics and timbre of all sounds and instruments in a negative way; and correcting those FR anomalies with EQ is only going to bring the timbre closer back to its original/pristine state. The only time I've heard a negative change in timbre is when I didn't EQ correctly (mostly in the beginning).
The argument that a consumer who doesn't have special gear or training should not equalize is invalid. You don't need "profession equipment," whatever that's supposed to be (since you didn't specify). Free software isn't necessarily bad, either. Any parametric equalizer will do the job nicely. Training is something anyone can acquire on their own. This isn't as much of a rocket science as you are making it out to be.
"Just because you never hear any disadvantages from EQing doesn't mean others will not." Agreed. However, if you are hearing unwanted artifacts, it could be due to a lack somewhere in your understanding or technique - in fact, I do argue that this is most likely the case.
"Many of us would rather not find out either way and just listen to the phones the way they were tuned to begin with or buy something else if we find it offensive." No one is stopping you from taking such an approach. It's only my opinion, however, that this approach deny you the possibility of bringing each pair of headphones even closer to your ideal sound (beside changing other gear in your audio chain), as those unintended artifacts I wrote about will always exist in the "best" and most expensive headphones; and to reject EQ, imo, is to deny yourself a vast improvement in audio enjoyment.