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post #11626 of 17051
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Originally Posted by kenshinhimura View Post

it is brighter. i loved the he-500 but i always felt it was a little too polite. with the he-5le i feel the guitar now. as far as i can see, the he-500 has a bit better bass though.

The 5le is harder to amp, so the bass quality might suffer unless you have a real juicy amp.

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Originally Posted by MrMateoHead View Post

Yes I am done with the debate as well. I do want to post this link however, if anyone wants to listen to samples of fundamental v. harmonics (and a useful resource in general):

 

http://auditoryneuroscience.com/topics/missing-fundamental

 

It is certainly helping me to organize my subjective impressions of headphones like the HE-400 around more 'objective' criteria.

 

Thanks for a thought provoking discussion!

Thanks to you too. I like when discussions like this turn out to be useful and giving, even if they are a bit OT. 

 

A very popular combination is the hd800 and lcd2. To me, they seem to be very complimentary 'phones.

post #11627 of 17051
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

A very popular combination is the hd800 and lcd2. To me, they seem to be very complimentary 'phones.

"Very" popular?

How many people can actually own both of those (and the amps required)?


That would be my dream combo...but may as well make it the lcd3 since the price is there with the hd800
post #11628 of 17051

My wager is anybody who owns a 1000 dollar headphone has enough disposable income to own two.

post #11629 of 17051
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

My wager is anybody who owns a 1000 dollar headphone has enough disposable income to own two.

I realise that $1000 seems like a ludicrous about of money to spend on a pair of headphones for 99.9% of people, but given the amount one spends on other AV equipment like TVs and the like, it puts it into perspective. People don't bat an eyelid spending a few thousand on a car (even when a similarly suitable vehicle could be bought often for much less), so for someone who is driven by a love and passion of music being recreated beautifully and faithfully at home, to save and splash out a grand on some gorgeous cans is a justified treat, even if one isn't rich or fully flush with money.
Edited by amigomatt - 7/26/13 at 12:48am
post #11630 of 17051
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Originally Posted by amigomatt View Post

I realise that $1000 seems like a ludicrous about of money to spend on a pair of headphones for 99.9% of people, but given the amount one spends on other AV equipment like TVs and the like, it puts it into perspective. People don't bat an eyelid spending a few thousand on a car (even when a similarly suitable vehicle could be bought often for much less), so for someone who is driven by a love and passion of music being recreated beautifully and faithfully at home, to save and splash out a grand on some gorgeous cans is a justified treat, even if one isn't rich or fully flush with money.

Not that I've ever splashed that amount in one go on headphones (I don't feel the need to with my present collection, which covers my needs for now). I wouldn't like to reckon up my total expenditure on computer/audio/visual/instrumental goods over the years though!
Edited by amigomatt - 7/26/13 at 12:56am
post #11631 of 17051
Thread Starter 

For the moment, I would rather enjoy two, or sometimes three redface.gif, sets of very nice mid-fi cans. It gives me a diversity of products that do different things. The most obvious is open and closed sets. You can cater to your mood with a colored and fun pair and have a pair that are more neutral. 

 

Ultimately I'd consider going with one flagship model and sell off the rest. I have a special affection for the sound signature of the lcd2. I could make it my one pair of headphones based on the sound signature. The problem is that they are just too darn heavy to be my everyday pair. Based on comfortable flagships: the he6, lcd series and even the he500, 5le are too heavy for a single everyday hp for me. The he400 is the max weight that I'm comfortable with. 

 

The only hp that really appeals to me as a flagship that I'd like to own is the he60, which is now out of production. The last possible option would be a Stax setup. Wait, the Stax has a perfect weight and comfort level with an other worldly sound signature. Now if I only had about $3500. 

post #11632 of 17051

Been using the HE-400 with the Asgard 2 for over a week now. Before proper break-in it sounded downright crazy. I could hear a huge bump at around 1kHz. After break-in, it got tamer. However, these cans are still pretty bright. I don't agree with the impressions that these are dark, at all. They lean slightly on the bright side of neutral, imo. I think the lack of upper mids makes them sound darker to some, but I can't get over how sibilant they can sound sometimes.

 

Having said that, I absolutely love the heck of these headphones - after having fixed their FR with a great EQ program. Unlike 99% of head-fiers I've come across, I literally refuse to listen to any of my headphones without EQ (not that headphones are necessarily bad sounding without it)! I strongly believe in the power of a really good EQ program. By removing spikes and dips, and extending frequencies that are rolled-off, you get a completely new and better performance out of every pair of headphones. I think the trouble is that people don't know where to start, or they don't want to go through the trouble of learning. In any case, I am absolutely in love with my A2 + HE-400 combo with my current EQ setting. No more overly relaxed upper mids, no more sibilant and fatiguing highs, and bass is more extended than ever before. Everything just sounds so much more natural than before. If I'm watching an action-filled show or movie, I'll bump up the bass even more for the adrenaline pump. Velour pads are coming soon, so I will be able to try out the Jergpad mod soon, but with a different twist - I will post photos and description after it's done. I also took out both grills and filters, without replacing them. I figured that I don't need them, since I'm very careful with my headphones anyways; and the more open and bigger soundstage with them off is worth it.

 

Listening to Anthony Hamilton & Elayna Boynton - Freedom, I am absolutely in love. This very well recorded song really showcases the speed, clarity, and resolution of these headphones; and the song itself is just a beautiful song, with powerful, moving lyrics, accompanied with nice instrumentation. Highly recommended for showcasing the HE-400's abilities.

 

Listening to Florence & The Machine albums ("Ceremonials" and "Lungs"), these headphones showcase their ability to keep up with complex passages. The plucking of each harp string sounds adequately quick, but it makes me wonder how much quicker it would sound through electrostatic headphones, with which I have no experience.

 

Overall, I'm super impressed with these headphones. A very very good value at $400 imo. o2smile.gif

post #11633 of 17051
Don't know what you are talking about, 90% of the people here talk about EQ'ing!
post #11634 of 17051
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

For the moment, I would rather enjoy two, or sometimes three redface.gif, sets of very nice mid-fi cans. It gives me a diversity of products that do different things. The most obvious is open and closed sets. You can cater to your mood with a colored and fun pair and have a pair that are more neutral. 

 

Ultimately I'd consider going with one flagship model and sell off the rest. I have a special affection for the sound signature of the lcd2. I could make it my one pair of headphones based on the sound signature. The problem is that they are just too darn heavy to be my everyday pair. Based on comfortable flagships: the he6, lcd series and even the he500, 5le are too heavy for a single everyday hp for me. The he400 is the max weight that I'm comfortable with. 

 

The only hp that really appeals to me as a flagship that I'd like to own is the he60, which is now out of production. The last possible option would be a Stax setup. Wait, the Stax has a perfect weight and comfort level with an other worldly sound signature. Now if I only had about $3500. 

Gawd, you don't need to splurge big money! Where does that misconception come from?

 

An HE60 with the HEV70 amp was sold at a great, great price a couple of days ago btw. 

 

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Originally Posted by jmsaxon69 View Post

Don't know what you are talking about, 90% of the people here talk about EQ'ing!

You should try it some time...


Edited by davidsh - 7/26/13 at 5:08am
post #11635 of 17051
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

You should try it some time...

I have and find the other things it does to the sound unacceptable. Why do you think all the real high end gear has no tone controls on it?
post #11636 of 17051
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Originally Posted by ferday View Post

"Very" popular?

How many people can actually own both of those (and the amps required)?

That would be my dream combo...but may as well make it the lcd3 since the price is there with the hd800

 

I'm quite sure many of us could.  Now, the real question remains, would you be willing to sell one of your kidneys to get the funds so you could splurge on your purchase?  eek.gif

post #11637 of 17051

People who say "I don't EQ... I want to hear the headphones and music as they are supposed to sound" are basically being a bit silly because EQ does not actually damage the sound quality if you do it correctly and the music probably went through multiple EQ before it was released anyway.

 

I read a post in this thread saying "these are too bright and sibilant but I refuse to EQ them as I do not use EQ".... This is madness... Just EQ the treble down and they are significantly less bright / harsh in the treble with basically no loss of quality.


Edited by nicholars - 7/26/13 at 6:13am
post #11638 of 17051
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

People who say "I don't EQ... I want to hear the headphones and music as they are supposed to sound" are basically being a bit silly because EQ does not actually damage the sound quality if you do it correctly and the music probably went through multiple EQ before it was released anyway.

I read a post in this thread saying "these are too bright and sibilant but I refuse to EQ them as I do not use EQ".... This is madness... Just EQ the treble down and they are significantly less bright / harsh in the treble with basically no loss of quality.

I completely disagree with you. The while arguement about what happened in the production stage is completely irrelevant. You also forgot to preface your comments with IMHO.
post #11639 of 17051
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Originally Posted by jmsaxon69 View Post


I completely disagree with you. The while arguement about what happened in the production stage is completely irrelevant. You also forgot to preface your comments with IMHO.

 

Well what I am saying is fact so I do not need to use IMHO.

 

I don't think it is irrelevant tbh, because people who refuse to use EQ probably think that there has not been any applied before the music was released or something.


Edited by nicholars - 7/26/13 at 6:25am
post #11640 of 17051
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Originally Posted by jmsaxon69 View Post


I completely disagree with you. The while arguement about what happened in the production stage is completely irrelevant. 

 

Why is the production stage irrelevant?

 

Also, assuming they're using a pair of speakers in a well-treated room that are room corrected through EQ to sound as flat as possible, wouldn't EQ'ing your own pair of headphones to be as flat as possible be more along the lines of 'hearing what was intended?'

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