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post #11611 of 17742

i saw that,  but man its a clean job he did and might be as easy as it seems.  thats why i was saying my options. ive also been thinking about the lyr and audio gdsfor its flexibility to work with other headphones. a lot of decisions at a bad time for me too. it might take me  few weeks to a month before i make a decision as ive been busy with my family.

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Originally Posted by soundeffect View Post

i saw that,  but man its a clean job he did and might be as easy as it seems.  thats why i was saying my options. ive also been thinking about the lyr and audio gdsfor its flexibility to work with other headphones. a lot of decisions at a bad time for me too. it might take me  few weeks to a month before i make a decision as ive been busy with my family.


That's the main reason I spent the money on the Lyr, it will drive anything and I still get to play with tubes!  I started with a Valhalla and was limited to what headphones I could drive to the potential of the amp, so I figured this is the way to go, I hear such great things about the Lyr with my 2 main cans and the ones I have my eye on (LCD2), so really excited to get it tomorrow! I ordered a nice set of tubes for it as well.

 

When I saw the pictures of the Emotiva i was like, wait a minute I thought that piece didn't have a headphone out? He did a great job, maybe he will post some details on what he did? Or did he? I need to check it again...

post #11613 of 17742

I did some experimenting last night with my hE-400 and the NAD stuff in my sig.  Since I am in between headphone amps with the Lyr en-route I decided to see if the famous NAD smoothness would make a good match for the HE-400.  So last night I hooked up the NAD C356BEE DAC (integrated amp with built in 24/96 DAC) my PC(JRiver Media Center 18) with a Chord Company Silver USB, the NAD SACD/DVD-Audio player with a pair of Kimber Kable Hero interconnects all plugged into an Adcom ACE-515 line conditioner.  I A/B'd Steely Dan's "Guacho" on DVD-Audio and 24/96 FLAC.  The DVD Audio definitely sounded better, maybe a better DAC than the amp? Maybe the Kimber Hero was smoothing out the high end a bit? It was a nice sound, tamed the HE-400 a bit and still had a nice sound stage etc...Listened to the Paul Simon track mentioned earlier in the thread to see how it sounded with the sibilance, it was still there of course, but a little easier to swallow than on the DragonFly.  If anyone wants that track to do the experiment, send me a PM and I'll get it to you.

post #11614 of 17742
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Guys, lets please be careful with topic that should belong in sound science and keep the discussion moving forward and relevant to the he400. This thread has been a wealth of information on many fronts and fun to hang out in. I'd hate to see it get locked. Please use caution...


Yes I am done with the debate as well. I do want to post this link however, if anyone wants to listen to samples of fundamental v. harmonics (and a useful resource in general):

 

http://auditoryneuroscience.com/topics/missing-fundamental

 

It is certainly helping me to organize my subjective impressions of headphones like the HE-400 around more 'objective' criteria.

 

Thanks for a thought provoking discussion!

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That whole relax sounding thing disappears when you drive the HE-500 from speaker taps. They get aggressive as hell, not to mention explosive. Quite surprising actually once you hear it and just jaw-dropping amazing. Either that or hunt down vintage amps and use the headphone out if you don't want to do speaker taps.


thats a little more YMMV then anything. i had a pair that i ran from my sx-780, and they weren't agressive enough for me. now the he-5le that i have now is way more agressive and a better fit for me.

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That's the main reason I spent the money on the Lyr, it will drive anything and I still get to play with tubes!  I started with a Valhalla and was limited to what headphones I could drive to the potential of the amp, so I figured this is the way to go, I hear such great things about the Lyr with my 2 main cans and the ones I have my eye on (LCD2), so really excited to get it tomorrow! I ordered a nice set of tubes for it as well.

When I saw the pictures of the Emotiva i was like, wait a minute I thought that piece didn't have a headphone out? He did a great job, maybe he will post some details on what he did? Or did he? I need to check it again...

I've been eyeing the lcd2 also, I think the he500 + lcd2 would make a killer combo.
post #11617 of 17742
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Originally Posted by kenshinhimura View Post


thats a little more YMMV then anything. i had a pair that i ran from my sx-780, and they weren't agressive enough for me. now the he-5le that i have now is way more agressive and a better fit for me.

Well everything anyone says on Head-Fi is YMMV. When you say aggressive I think you mean more treble energy, or a brighter sound which is what the 5LE is right?

 

When I say aggressive I was thinking of the dynamic range in both the bass end and the treble end of the frequency spectrum. Everything sounds faster/tighter and hits harder, but yes it's going to sound boring next to the 5LE/HE6 because those cans are brighter and offer "excitement' for some folks. Hell Grados are the most exciting thing out there if you go by treble energy. I find that kind of agression/excitement painful and annoying.


Edited by M-13 - 7/25/13 at 4:44pm
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Originally Posted by soundeffect View Post

I've been eyeing the lcd2 also, I think the he500 + lcd2 would make a killer combo.

Seems like it would be a bit redundant both being ortho headphones. I think a headphone that is nothing like the LCD2 would be a better choice. That being said I have no idea how they sound! Maybe MattTGC will chime in, he's heard them both. If I get LCD2 then HE-400 would go bye bye...
post #11619 of 17742

it is brighter. i loved the he-500 but i always felt it was a little too polite. with the he-5le i feel the guitar now. as far as i can see, the he-500 has a bit better bass though.

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Originally Posted by MrMateoHead View Post


Yes I am done with the debate as well. I do want to post this link however, if anyone wants to listen to samples of fundamental v. harmonics (and a useful resource in general):

 

http://auditoryneuroscience.com/topics/missing-fundamental

 

It is certainly helping me to organize my subjective impressions of headphones like the HE-400 around more 'objective' criteria.

 

Thanks for a thought provoking discussion!

At least this post was not a giant wall of text.bigsmile_face.gif

post #11621 of 17742

based on my demo of the lcd2 and the he500, i would not get both.  that said the 500 is waaaaaay less dark than the lcd2 but detail etc. is pretty similar (lcd2 better bass, which is saying something!)

 

if i had 2 high end cans i'd probably look at grado or even senn for my second uber-cans, IMO much better selection of sounds that way.  

 

but to each their own, maybe you guys hear something special between the 500/lcd2 that i just didn't (they were both so killer, but unfortunately wallet killers too)

post #11622 of 17742
Thread Starter 

As was suggested here  earlier, I'm planning to reorganize the initial post to this thread to give better access to information about the he400. For those who have done reviews, comparative or otherwise, please pm me a link to your review/post. This goes for guides, mods ect. 

 

I'm looking for the senior members to step up and lend a hand. Thanks in advance guys!!

post #11623 of 17742
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Originally Posted by soundeffect View Post


I've been eyeing the lcd2 also, I think the he500 + lcd2 would make a killer combo.

I own them both,  there is nothing like the textured bass and intimacy of the LCD-2, but I would not want them as my only can, the comfort level leaves something to be desired. 

 

If I had describe the difference between the two, I would say the HE-500 sounds to me like a good set of speakers playing in a room, the LCD-2 sounds like being up on stage.

post #11624 of 17742

Guys, I posted a quick comparison between HE-500 and HE-400 on the HE-500 thread. I'll post it here too, in case anyone is interested:
 

Just got my HE-500s. Some impressions (compared to HE-400):

- More forward mids and fuller sound(HE-400 is more spacious/airy and dynamic sounding)

- Smoother treble. Cymbals sound much better

- Voices are better portrayed. Female voices sound awesome, really.

- HE-400s have more(quantity) and better(quality) bass. But the bass on these is still pretty good.

I'm using the velours by the way. Didn't test it with the pleathers, but it'll probably change for worse, so I won't even bother.

By the way, first thing I noticed is that HE-500's atleast as loud as HE-400 at the same mark on my amp's volume pot(Burson HA-160). Actually I feel it's even louder. It's probably due to the less recessed mids, compared to HE-400. I can go further too without fearing the treble will hurt my ears.

All in all, I'm very satisfied with these. Although I'm not really sure yet if they're worth the $300 plus compared to HE-400, I don't regret buying it. Great headphones, really.

post #11625 of 17742
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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post

Guys, I posted a quick comparison between HE-500 and HE-400 on the HE-500 thread. I'll post it here too, in case anyone is interested....
 

Thanks a bunch!

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