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post #11296 of 20258
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

It's a little hard to explain, sort of like a hollowness in the female vocal (maybe because of the upper mid dip?). That with the sibilants makes female vocals seem off.

 

It's been discussed to death in this thread, you'll probably find a better explanation by someone else.

Hmmm. Well, you know how it is. We got a novel of a HE-400 thread going on here and I'm definitely one to take shortcuts.

 

I've done a fair amount of searching and I haven't found a good description for why females causing more sibilance than males.


Edited by Thujone - 7/15/13 at 8:36am
post #11297 of 20258
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post

Hmmm. Well, you know how it is. We got a novel of a HE-400 thread going on here and I'm definitely one to take shortcuts.

 

I've done a fair amount of searching and I haven't found a good description for why females causing more sibilance than males.

 

I believe that's recording-dependent. 

post #11298 of 20258
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

I believe that's recording-dependent. 

I dunno, I just see a lot of complaint in this thread regarding female vocals. They aren't very present, they're too sibilant, there is no body, etc. etc.

 

I'm looking at the frequency response graph, and I'm looking at the audible range for a human being, and I'm still throwing up question marks. Sure, the very topmost section of the female vocal range is slightly recessed, but my god, surely not everyone is listening to vocals between 1k and 2kHz?

post #11299 of 20258

It's all that damn EQ'ing people are doing! It's messing up the quality of the signal! Or the cheap Radio Shack interconnects most of you use! haha!

post #11300 of 20258

^ ^ Not sure if you're trolling, but that's most definitely not it.

 

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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post

I dunno, I just see a lot of complaint in this thread regarding female vocals. They aren't very present, they're too sibilant, there is no body, etc. etc.

 

I'm looking at the frequency response graph, and I'm looking at the audible range for a human being, and I'm still throwing up question marks. Sure, the very topmost section of the female vocal range is slightly recessed, but my god, surely not everyone is listening to vocals between 1k and 2kHz?

 

It's a little puzzling but oh well, Im just happy there are fixes for these problems.

post #11301 of 20258
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

^ ^ Not sure if you're trolling, but that's most definitely not it.

 

 

It's a little puzzling but oh well, Im just happy there are fixes for these problems.

I've been using jergs for most of the time I've owned the HE-400, so you're probably right about the problem being fixed.

post #11302 of 20258

A tizz sound like 'tzzz'. Hi-hats often sound tizzy on HE-400. Sibilance is more like 'sss'. Tizzyness is found at higher frequencies than sibilance.

 

I think the reason female vocals often are more sibilant, is because female vocals are often highly processed, that is the only explanation I can come up with. It makes sense to me.  Can you post some examples?

 

Anyway, ask a recording engineer or something, apparently no one in this thread really knows.

 

Another thing that potentially can make the HE-400 fatigueing is the actual vocal range, which is enhanced at 1 kHz, but drops a lot after that. I think that can be fatigueing for some.

post #11303 of 20258
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

^ ^ Not sure if you're trolling, but that's most definitely not it.

 

It's just a little  joke based on the last few posts about EQ'ing and other things.  People need to relax and have some fun around here, it's just audio and it's just opinions, nothing serious enough to get worked up about.  And so i need to say "not that you are getting worked up" or all hell will fly...

post #11304 of 20258
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Originally Posted by jmsaxon69 View Post

It's just a little  joke based on the last few posts about EQ'ing and other things.  People need to relax and have some fun around here, it's just audio and it's just opinions, nothing serious enough to get worked up about.  And so i need to say "not that you are getting worked up" or all hell will fly...

 

Nah it's cool dude, I just couldn't really tell if you were joking or serious haha.

post #11305 of 20258
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

 

I think the reason female vocals often are more sibilant, is because female vocals are often highly processed, that is the only explanation I can come up with. It makes sense to me. 

This is the only explanation that I've gotten that seems to make sense to me. Still though, considering all the gripe on this thread, people need to listen to more female vocals that aren't as highly processed!!

post #11306 of 20258

Hi,

 

I purchased some of these today, have not got them yet, can anyone tell me please what are the best replacement pads for these, I want the smoothest / darkest treble and as much bass and mids as possible, only thing that is worrying me about these headphones is the potentially sibilant / peaky treble, which pads keep this to a minimum?

post #11307 of 20258

I ordered mine with the velour pads from HiFiMan after reading the comments in this thread.  There are also ways to mod some pads, but seem like a hassle to me...

post #11308 of 20258
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Hi,

 

I purchased some of these today, have not got them yet, can anyone tell me please what are the best replacement pads for these, I want the smoothest / darkest treble and as much bass and mids as possible, only thing that is worrying me about these headphones is the potentially sibilant / peaky treble, which pads keep this to a minimum?

The jerg pad mod helps enhance sub bass and tame the treble. You will likely still need the EQ though.

post #11309 of 20258
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post

The jerg pad mod helps enhance sub bass and tame the treble. You will likely still need the EQ though.

 

Hmmm looks like a lot of work!

 

Are there any other simple mods to tame the treble a bit? I noticed something about putting some foam on them off the M50 or something?

 

Being as how I am pretty sensitive to sibilance and bright treble I have a feeling that this might annoy me, other than that though the HE-400 look unbeatable for the money.

post #11310 of 20258
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

 

Hmmm looks like a lot of work!

 

Are there any other simple mods to tame the treble a bit? I noticed something about putting some foam on them off the M50 or something?

 

Being as how I am pretty sensitive to sibilance and bright treble I have a feeling that this might annoy me, other than that though the HE-400 look unbeatable for the money.

I recently got a pair of Beyerdynamic velours (thanks to Thujone!) and the foam inserts on those are pretty dense, so I wonder if that would make much of a difference?  It may not be good for the overall sound though, but it could be worth a try.

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