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post #11251 of 20207
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Originally Posted by Netforce View Post

I do love me some tube amps but I would still say I like the he-400 more than the dt990.
Because it performs better or you prefer it?
post #11252 of 20207

I just got rid of a pair of DT990 600 ohm and have ordered a pair of HE-400.  I have never heard the HE-400 and now after reading almost everything about them am afraid I just made the same mistake as I did on the DT990.  I dumped the DT990 because of the treble response.  I read so many reviews about how great the HE-400 are but some how missed a lot of the treble spike complaints. I was using the DT990 600 ohm on the Shiit Valhalla, but after I got rid of the DT990 I figured I'd go in a different direction and not use an amp that needs a higher impedance headphone.  So trying to get something like an Asgard 2 or a Lyr to power my AKG K602 Annies and the incoming HE-400 and potentially a 3rd headphone that will more than likely be a HD650 or HD700.  I am really nervous that the HE-400 are going to sound like the DT990 in the treble region and I am going to hate them.  The HE-400 gets so many good reviews, I figured it was a safe bet and my listening has been pretty heavily divided by EDM and old school Jazz lately.  The AKG are sounding pretty good on my recently acquired Musical Fidelity X-Can V2, hopefully the HE-400 will be a good match too as I am not having much luck moving the Valhalla right now.


Edited by jmsaxon69 - 7/14/13 at 11:45am
post #11253 of 20207
^A slight treble roll-off, and you won't have any problems.
post #11254 of 20207
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

^A slight treble roll-off, and you won't have any problems.

If you are talking about EQ'ing it ain't gonna happen, haven't used an EQ since I was a in high school (1986), so I may be moving through the HE-400 pretty quickly.
post #11255 of 20207
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Originally Posted by jmsaxon69 View Post


If you are talking about EQ'ing it ain't gonna happen, haven't used an EQ since I was a in high school (1986), so I may be moving through the HE-400 pretty quickly.

i find the hot treble thing to be quite overrated, i don't normally EQ my 400's and i think they sound great.  to each their own, maybe you won't like them but when i demoed, i preferred them 100x to the 600/650 and am happy i went that way (although now i'm interested in the he500 ;)

post #11256 of 20207
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Originally Posted by jmsaxon69 View Post

I just got rid of a pair of DT990 600 ohm and have ordered a pair of HE-400.  I have never heard the HE-400 and now after reading almost everything about them am afraid I just made the same mistake as I did on the DT990.  I dumped the DT990 because of the treble response.  I read so many reviews about how great the HE-400 are but some how missed a lot of the treble spike complaints. I was using the DT990 600 ohm on the Shiit Valhalla, but after I got rid of the DT990 I figured I'd go in a different direction and not use an amp that needs a higher impedance headphone.  So trying to get something like an Asgard 2 or a Lyr to power my AKG K602 Annies and the incoming HE-400 and potentially a 3rd headphone that will more than likely be a HD650 or HD700.  I am really nervous that the HE-400 are going to sound like the DT990 in the treble region and I am going to hate them.  The HE-400 gets so many good reviews, I figured it was a safe bet and my listening has been pretty heavily divided by EDM and old school Jazz lately.  The AKG are sounding pretty good on my recently acquired Musical Fidelity X-Can V2, hopefully the HE-400 will be a good match too as I am not having much luck moving the Valhalla right now.
What do you think of the akg annies? Do you think you'd prefer them over the he400?
Edited by Nimzerz - 7/14/13 at 12:23pm
post #11257 of 20207
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Originally Posted by ferday View Post

i find the hot treble thing to be quite overrated, i don't normally EQ my 400's and i think they sound great.  to each their own, maybe you won't like them but when i demoed, i preferred them 100x to the 600/650 and am happy i went that way (although now i'm interested in the he500 ;)

Thanks for the feedback, what are you driving them with?

post #11258 of 20207
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post


What do you think of the akg annies? Do you think you'd prefer them over the he400?


Hard to say at this point, HE-400 are on the way.   I do like the AKG quite a bit, if I could have anyhthing more wit the AKG it would be just a tad more bass.  I hear the HE-400 have that in spades.  Oh well, time will tell, it was HE-400 or HD650 and I went HE-400....and a pair of RE-400 all for the same price as a pair of HD650!

post #11259 of 20207
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Originally Posted by jmsaxon69 View Post

Thanks for the feedback, what are you driving them with?

Jriver-e17. I have a magni/modi on the way but I don't expect much (any) change, just more power and a desktop setup. I love these cans with every genre, they excel with bass heavy recordings
post #11260 of 20207
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Originally Posted by ferday View Post


Jriver-e17. I have a magni/modi on the way but I don't expect much (any) change, just more power and a desktop setup. I love these cans with every genre, they excel with bass heavy recordings


Just off the cuff, I'd say that the HE-400 would be my Electronic and Rock cans and the AKG my Jazz and (some limited classical) other non-electric music phones.

post #11261 of 20207

Why is it that HE-400 sounds much better with DSP like Dolby Headphones and ProLogic?

I'm using this features on Xonar ST and it is a big difference, the music opens up more, soundstage is glorious, the mids change  for the better, without these effects mids seem muffled.

Before these orthos, those effects did nothing good to dynamic headphones, so I didn't use them, but now I cant do without Dolby DSP.

I'm using vintage amp and/or Xonar ST with LME49990 and I have no problem with sibilance.


Edited by verde57 - 7/15/13 at 12:26am
post #11262 of 20207
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Originally Posted by jmsaxon69 View Post
Just off the cuff, I'd say that the HE-400 would be my Electronic and Rock cans and the AKG my Jazz and (some limited classical) other non-electric music phones.

The HE-400 can be very good with Jazz depending on the type of jazz and such. Gives it a nice energy, though without certain instruments being too fatigueing (saxophone in Miles Davis 'Kind of Blue' comes to mind)

 

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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

^A slight treble roll-off, and you won't have any problems.

If you are talking about EQ'ing it ain't gonna happen, haven't used an EQ since I was a in high school (1986), so I may be moving through the HE-400 pretty quickly.

Why won't you touch an EQ? You don't listen through the computer or something? It isn't a very drastic EQ we are talking about here, and I doubt it will degrade the audio in any way.

 

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Originally Posted by verde57 View Post

Why is it that HE-400 sounds much better with DSP like Dolby Headphones and ProLogic?

I'm using this features on Xonar ST and it is a big difference, the music opens up more, soundstage is glorious, the mids change  for the better, without these effects mids seem muffled.

Before these orthos, those effects did nothing good to dynamic headphones, so I didn't use them, but now I cant do without Dolby DSP.

I'm using vintage amp and/or Xonar ST with LME49990 and I have no problem with sibilance.

Dolby headphones DSP muffles everything for me, make it seem very muted. That is with foobar and stereo recordings. To me, that sounds very bad. On the other hand you can do stuff to improve on that. I have a custom channel mixer DSP, that converts stereo to multi-channel, and then I apply dolby. That sounds quite decent, actually, but still lacks some clarity.

What is ProLogic?

post #11263 of 20207

 

Dolby Pro-Logic IIx is a 7.1 surround upmixing technology and is widely used in
home theater systems, TVs, game consoles, and car audio systems. It can expand
stereo audio, such as MP3, CD, and TV programs into immersive 5.1 or

7.1-channel surround

post #11264 of 20207
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Originally Posted by MunkyNutz View Post

 

400's probably 200 mW to 1 watt ? They ran just OK off my last altoid....2-500 mW I think.

No idea why they say they can run straight off your source with no dedicated amping.

Just would not get anywhere near the full potential out of them and the casual tester may just think they are so-so without extra amping.

Im not sure i could agree with this (the table).

While the HE-400 run great off my Schiit Asgard (max 1 W, but im quite sure it has some headroom as it can deliver 1 W even if you get some strong dynamic swing), my Fiio E17 dosent really run that well, even when USB plugged into the PC (note that the E17 I have runs a lot louder as DAC+AMP when USB plugged  rather than my Mp3+E17 as amp only).

 

Id say if id have to give the HE-400 a power requirement id rate them between 650mW and 900mW.

The HE-500 id say 1.5 to 1.8W

Note that the Fiio E17 actually dosent deliver too much power to drive orthos, even if its ok in volume. (talking about the HE-400 here)

 

Can Valhalla drive my orthodynamic headphones?
Being polite: not a chance. Although Valhalla can deliver large voltages into high-impedance headphones, it cannot supply the current needed for low-efficiency, low-impedance orthodynamic headphones. If you have Audeze or HiFiMan headphones, look at Lyr. LCD-2s, HE-400s, and HE-500s are also efficient enough to be used with Asgard, if you’d like an all-solid-state option.

 

The valhalla outputs around 100 mW at 50 Ohm, and the Fiio around 160 i belive. 

post #11265 of 20207
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Originally Posted by verde57 View Post

 

Dolby Pro-Logic IIx is a 7.1 surround upmixing technology and is widely used in
home theater systems, TVs, game consoles, and car audio systems. It can expand
stereo audio, such as MP3, CD, and TV programs into immersive 5.1 or

7.1-channel surround

Than explains. Don't know how good the upmixing is, but with the dsp's I use it sound quite decent, though I prefer listening without in the end.

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