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Originally Posted by ferday View Post

my amp-building project has been put on indefinite hold, probably another year or two thanks to work arrangements

 

so...i really want to have a desktop amp in the meantime.  i'm running an E17 right now which is fine with the 400's, but i want desktop and a little bit more power to boot.  so...anyone here have a recommendation for me, for the he400's?  i'm looking at the fiio e9 (since it would integrate well), the schiit magni and the schiit asgaard 2 but open to anything.  my price limit ideally is the asgaard ($250 ish) since i will end up building my B-22 eventually

 

thanks head-fi'rs!

 

FWIW i've read a lot of reviews and threads on all of the above amps, and a few others...so personal experiences would be great

I think you're on the right track. Schiit or maybe even Audio-gd stuff will probably be recommended here. One thing I can add is that I found the Magni to be better than the E09K for driving the HE-500. It drove it much better for some reason and had a more analog sound to it, although the E09K did sound cleaner (but more digital/fake).

 

If I were in your shoes with your budget I would maybe get the Asgard 2 (haven't heard it, but all the chatter on Head-Fi has me excited). Or Magni to save some money and still be very happy I think.

post #11222 of 18084
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

I think you're on the right track. Schiit or maybe even Audio-gd stuff will probably be recommended here. One thing I can add is that I found the Magni to be better than the E09K for driving the HE-500. It drove it much better for some reason and had a more analog sound to it, although the E09K did sound cleaner (but more digital/fake).

 

If I were in your shoes with your budget I would maybe get the Asgard 2 (haven't heard it, but all the chatter on Head-Fi has me excited). Or Magni to save some money and still be very happy I think.

 

thanks so much, the exact kind of info i'm looking for!  the audio gd looks nice but it's definitely pricier.  if i knew from someone that the magni is good enough (especially compared directly with the e9, meaning more power than the e17) i would just get one of those and maybe even a modii with the extra money saved, then i'm not reliant on being able to find my e17 for the dac which has a habit of being where i'm not ;)

 

as i said, a high end amp is in my future so i'm happy with good enough for now, but i definitely want an improvement over my e17 (which i like with the 400's)


Edited by ferday - 7/11/13 at 2:50pm
post #11223 of 18084
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Originally Posted by ferday View Post

thanks so much, the exact kind of info i'm looking for!  the audio gd looks nice but it's definitely pricier.  if i knew from someone that the magni is good enough (especially compared directly with the e9, meaning more power than the e17) i would just get one of those and maybe even a modii with the extra money saved, then i'm not reliant on being able to find my e17 for the dac which has a habit of being where i'm not ;)

 

as i said, a high end amp is in my future so i'm happy with good enough for now, but i definitely want an improvement over my e17 (which i like with the 400's)

The general consensus (AFAIK) is that the magni has an edge over the e9k with the 500. Like in the e9k can't power 'em properly, but the magni can, though you can get better.

post #11224 of 18084
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Originally Posted by ferday View Post

 

thanks so much, the exact kind of info i'm looking for!  the audio gd looks nice but it's definitely pricier.  if i knew from someone that the magni is good enough (especially compared directly with the e9, meaning more power than the e17) i would just get one of those and maybe even a modii with the extra money saved, then i'm not reliant on being able to find my e17 for the dac which has a habit of being where i'm not ;)

 

as i said, a high end amp is in my future so i'm happy with good enough for now, but i definitely want an improvement over my e17 (which i like with the 400's)

I might be able to help here.

I got the E17 for my "on go" with the HE-400 and the asgard as my amp at home, using the E17 as DAC (optical from PC to E17, then to asgard, then to HE-400).

 

I had a chance to listen to the E9 at my local store and in the first 3-6 seconds i knew i did not want that. It sounded like the E17, just louder. I felt it didnt fill the gaps.

After i tried the valhalla (schiit) and again, did not like it. Main problem was it sounded too weak, as if it had not the power to run the HP properly (even at max volume).

Finally i Tried the Asgard 1 and in a few seconds i was sold on it. If i remmber correctly, Jason from schiit recommends asgard for HE-400 before any other of their amps (this includes the LYR, wich i belive is better for the HE-500, but dosent give a great improvment on the HE-400).

 

The main things i would say is that the asgard improves mostly imaging and soundstage. After that it ofc ads to the overall frequency responce, but that is something you will notice when you go back to the E17 rather than the other way around.

 

Now, i do think that solid state amps work a bit better with planar magnetic than tubes, but this is just my personal bias :D.

 

I also belive asgard is a bit warmer than magni (maybe thats why its recommended by schiit), becouse the vocals dont seem to be so distant as in the E17.

 

Im looking to add a Schiit uber bifrost to this setup later on, but my local store dosent have em yet.

 

Note however, that this is purely my opinion. The problem here is what sort of sound signature you like. Becouse of this you would do well in testing yourself before commiting if in any way possible.

As far as i know, the vast majority of the human population responds better to forward mids rather than forward highs or lows, but everyone is different.

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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post

Now, i do think that solid state amps work a bit better with planar magnetic than tubes, but this is just my personal bias :D.

That is mostly true, but not necessarily. The valhalla is no good for planars. But there are always exceptions.

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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

That is mostly true, but not necessarily. The valhalla is no good for planars. But there are always exceptions.

I know, thats why i said i think its my personal bias.

Call me crazy but i belive that tubes transfer elecricity in a less ... precise way, as in they create fluctuations due to the form of the amp, where as solid state I belive deliver a more focused way.

 

In dynamic headpones this would add body to each tone sent out from the kevlar paper, but on planars i belive this could become distortion.

 

Well, thats what i tell myself at night to sleep better :D.

post #11227 of 18084

Hi all.

 

Is the treble of the HE-400 less fatiquing than the treble of Grado SR225i? I have the SR225i but I plan to buy some orthodynamic headphones and upgrade my amp very soon

I don't mind the brightness of the SR225i but at times, after long periods of listening, it does seem like too much.

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The highs are possibly more fatiguing but that's because the recessed upper midrange makes them sound far more pronounced.

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Is a recessed upper midrange a good thing?

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Originally Posted by catcherfly View Post

Is a recessed upper midrange a good thing?

It's all a matter of opinion. I haven't tried the SR225i's but Grado's sound signature is very bright with a lot of emphasis on the highs and upper midrange (aka treble). The HE-400's have an emphasis on the highs, but a recession in the upper mids, which makes them sound kinda bright but the "treble", in general, is not emphasized. Whether or not you will be upset about the upper mids recession is dependent on the type of music you like. Personally, while I still enjoy just about anything on my HE-400, guitars and other high pitch instruments are just not there like they are on my MS1000's. These are still my go-to cans for rock but my HE-400's are my go-to cans for anything electronic.

post #11231 of 18084

Thanks Thujone. That is helpful and confirms my interest in the HE-400s since I mostly listen to electronic music. I will keep my SR225is so hopefully the two pairs of headphones will work out well. 

post #11232 of 18084
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Originally Posted by catcherfly View Post

Thanks Thujone. That is helpful and confirms my interest in the HE-400s since I mostly listen to electronic music. I will keep my SR225is so hopefully the two pairs of headphones will work out well. 

They should be very nice compliments to one another smily_headphones1.gif

post #11233 of 18084
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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post

I know, thats why i said i think its my personal bias.

Call me crazy but i belive that tubes transfer elecricity in a less ... precise way, as in they create fluctuations due to the form of the amp, where as solid state I belive deliver a more focused way.

 

In dynamic headpones this would add body to each tone sent out from the kevlar paper, but on planars i belive this could become distortion.

 

Well, thats what i tell myself at night to sleep better :D.

 

This is because the Valhalla that you tried is an OTL tube design.  I do not know of any OTL tube amp that can deliver the current that power (current) hungry orthos need.  They do a great job at voltage swing, but are really only any good for high impedance phones.  The are other transformer coupled tube amps and hybrid tube amps out there (some are suggested by Woo Audio on their LCD-2 page) that can do a great job powering orthos.  I haven't heard any of them though, I stick to solid state so I don't have to worry about tubes that I might like more than whatever I have smily_headphones1.gif

post #11234 of 18084

Sigh, the plastic under the y-split came apart revealing the wiring underneath.

post #11235 of 18084

Try some tape? 

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