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post #11206 of 20229
You are correct.
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Once you go ortho, you don't go back.

edit: yey 200th post!

 

We'll celebrate when you've hit 2000. tongue.gif jk...congrats beerchug.gif

post #11208 of 20229
Haha wow you've racked them up (posts)

I've been a member for a while but not too active til I was in the market for a new pair of cans to replace my hd595s+udac2hp over holidays biggrin.gif
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We'll celebrate when you've hit 2000. tongue.gif jk...congrats beerchug.gif

 

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Haha wow you've racked them up (posts)

I've been a member for a while but not too active til I was in the market for a new pair of cans to replace my hd595s+udac2hp over holidays biggrin.gif

At your current pace robots will rule the earth by the time you've hit your 2000th post.

post #11210 of 20229

I'd like to wish my HE-400's a happy 1st birthday today and thank them for curing my upgrade-itus!

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I'd like to wish my HE-400's a happy 1st birthday today and thank them for curing my upgrade-itus!

Cool. What are your impressions of them after a year of ownership?

post #11212 of 20229
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Cool. What are your impressions of them after a year of ownership?

I couldn't be happier.  I went through a few pairs looking for the elusive perfect headphone for me.  I started with the Audio Technica M-50's.  I liked them but the bass bleed into the mids and they got bogged down during fast/complex passages.  I moved on to the Grado 325is.  I liked them as well, but the sound wasn't as full as I ideally would like.  Enter the Senn HD-600's.  I also liked them but they were a little too bland for my taste.  

 

Finally I arrived at the HE-400's.  They have the big bass like the M-50's, but not bloated or slow.  The speed and attack is there like the Grado's  and a balanced sound like the HD-600's.  Also, the detail retrieval and instrument separation is better on HE-400's than any of my previous phones.  I find the sound stage to be the most wide/deep and most natural of any of the headphones I've listened to, as well.  A lot of people say the HE-400 has a harsh treble, but I find it great.  Coming from the Grado's, the treble is more refined but still has the bite I loved about the Grado's.  

 

In the end, I sold all my other phones.  The only slight complaint I could make is:  Occasionally, I find a song where I wished the vocals were a little more up front.  However, those songs are few and far between.

 

At some point, I might go with an XLR balanced cable if I can find a copper/silver hybrid that wouldn't further brighten the sound.  Other than that, I haven't felt the need to upgrade.  My wallet thanks the HE-400's for that.

post #11213 of 20229
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Originally Posted by TexasBuck View Post

I couldn't be happier.  I went through a few pairs looking for the elusive perfect headphone for me.  I started with the Audio Technica M-50's.  I liked them but the bass bleed into the mids and they got bogged down during fast/complex passages.  I moved on to the Grado 325is.  I liked them as well, but the sound wasn't as full as I ideally would like.  Enter the Senn HD-600's.  I also liked them but they were a little too bland for my taste.  

 

Finally I arrived at the HE-400's.  They have the big bass like the M-50's, but not bloated or slow.  The speed and attack is there like the Grado's  and a balanced sound like the HD-600's.  Also, the detail retrieval and instrument separation is better on HE-400's than any of my previous phones.  I find the sound stage to be the most wide/deep and most natural of any of the headphones I've listened to, as well.  A lot of people say the HE-400 has a harsh treble, but I find it great.  Coming from the Grado's, the treble is more refined but still has the bite I loved about the Grado's.  

 

In the end, I sold all my other phones.  The only slight complaint I could make is:  Occasionally, I find a song where I wished the vocals were a little more up front.  However, those songs are few and far between.

 

At some point, I might go with an XLR balanced cable if I can find a copper/silver hybrid that wouldn't further brighten the sound.  Other than that, I haven't felt the need to upgrade.  My wallet thanks the HE-400's for that.

Wow thanks for the thoughtful/honest write up. biggrin.gif

post #11214 of 20229
I too love my He-400's, 7 months into the upgrade.

very pleased.
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my amp-building project has been put on indefinite hold, probably another year or two thanks to work arrangements

 

so...i really want to have a desktop amp in the meantime.  i'm running an E17 right now which is fine with the 400's, but i want desktop and a little bit more power to boot.  so...anyone here have a recommendation for me, for the he400's?  i'm looking at the fiio e9 (since it would integrate well), the schiit magni and the schiit asgaard 2 but open to anything.  my price limit ideally is the asgaard ($250 ish) since i will end up building my B-22 eventually

 

thanks head-fi'rs!

 

FWIW i've read a lot of reviews and threads on all of the above amps, and a few others...so personal experiences would be great

post #11216 of 20229

I'm running a Audio-GD NFB-5 right now and it's doing mighty fine, truly a beast and build like a tank. Afaik, there's even one for sale in the FS forums right now. Great synergy with the HE-400.

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my amp-building project has been put on indefinite hold, probably another year or two thanks to work arrangements

 

so...i really want to have a desktop amp in the meantime.  i'm running an E17 right now which is fine with the 400's, but i want desktop and a little bit more power to boot.  so...anyone here have a recommendation for me, for the he400's?  i'm looking at the fiio e9 (since it would integrate well), the schiit magni and the schiit asgaard 2 but open to anything.  my price limit ideally is the asgaard ($250 ish) since i will end up building my B-22 eventually

 

thanks head-fi'rs!

 

FWIW i've read a lot of reviews and threads on all of the above amps, and a few others...so personal experiences would be great

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Originally Posted by ferday View Post

my amp-building project has been put on indefinite hold, probably another year or two thanks to work arrangements

 

so...i really want to have a desktop amp in the meantime.  i'm running an E17 right now which is fine with the 400's, but i want desktop and a little bit more power to boot.  so...anyone here have a recommendation for me, for the he400's?  i'm looking at the fiio e9 (since it would integrate well), the schiit magni and the schiit asgaard 2 but open to anything.  my price limit ideally is the asgaard ($250 ish) since i will end up building my B-22 eventually

 

thanks head-fi'rs!

 

FWIW i've read a lot of reviews and threads on all of the above amps, and a few others...so personal experiences would be great

I think you're on the right track. Schiit or maybe even Audio-gd stuff will probably be recommended here. One thing I can add is that I found the Magni to be better than the E09K for driving the HE-500. It drove it much better for some reason and had a more analog sound to it, although the E09K did sound cleaner (but more digital/fake).

 

If I were in your shoes with your budget I would maybe get the Asgard 2 (haven't heard it, but all the chatter on Head-Fi has me excited). Or Magni to save some money and still be very happy I think.

post #11218 of 20229
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

I think you're on the right track. Schiit or maybe even Audio-gd stuff will probably be recommended here. One thing I can add is that I found the Magni to be better than the E09K for driving the HE-500. It drove it much better for some reason and had a more analog sound to it, although the E09K did sound cleaner (but more digital/fake).

 

If I were in your shoes with your budget I would maybe get the Asgard 2 (haven't heard it, but all the chatter on Head-Fi has me excited). Or Magni to save some money and still be very happy I think.

 

thanks so much, the exact kind of info i'm looking for!  the audio gd looks nice but it's definitely pricier.  if i knew from someone that the magni is good enough (especially compared directly with the e9, meaning more power than the e17) i would just get one of those and maybe even a modii with the extra money saved, then i'm not reliant on being able to find my e17 for the dac which has a habit of being where i'm not ;)

 

as i said, a high end amp is in my future so i'm happy with good enough for now, but i definitely want an improvement over my e17 (which i like with the 400's)


Edited by ferday - 7/11/13 at 2:50pm
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thanks so much, the exact kind of info i'm looking for!  the audio gd looks nice but it's definitely pricier.  if i knew from someone that the magni is good enough (especially compared directly with the e9, meaning more power than the e17) i would just get one of those and maybe even a modii with the extra money saved, then i'm not reliant on being able to find my e17 for the dac which has a habit of being where i'm not ;)

 

as i said, a high end amp is in my future so i'm happy with good enough for now, but i definitely want an improvement over my e17 (which i like with the 400's)

The general consensus (AFAIK) is that the magni has an edge over the e9k with the 500. Like in the e9k can't power 'em properly, but the magni can, though you can get better.

post #11220 of 20229
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Originally Posted by ferday View Post

 

thanks so much, the exact kind of info i'm looking for!  the audio gd looks nice but it's definitely pricier.  if i knew from someone that the magni is good enough (especially compared directly with the e9, meaning more power than the e17) i would just get one of those and maybe even a modii with the extra money saved, then i'm not reliant on being able to find my e17 for the dac which has a habit of being where i'm not ;)

 

as i said, a high end amp is in my future so i'm happy with good enough for now, but i definitely want an improvement over my e17 (which i like with the 400's)

I might be able to help here.

I got the E17 for my "on go" with the HE-400 and the asgard as my amp at home, using the E17 as DAC (optical from PC to E17, then to asgard, then to HE-400).

 

I had a chance to listen to the E9 at my local store and in the first 3-6 seconds i knew i did not want that. It sounded like the E17, just louder. I felt it didnt fill the gaps.

After i tried the valhalla (schiit) and again, did not like it. Main problem was it sounded too weak, as if it had not the power to run the HP properly (even at max volume).

Finally i Tried the Asgard 1 and in a few seconds i was sold on it. If i remmber correctly, Jason from schiit recommends asgard for HE-400 before any other of their amps (this includes the LYR, wich i belive is better for the HE-500, but dosent give a great improvment on the HE-400).

 

The main things i would say is that the asgard improves mostly imaging and soundstage. After that it ofc ads to the overall frequency responce, but that is something you will notice when you go back to the E17 rather than the other way around.

 

Now, i do think that solid state amps work a bit better with planar magnetic than tubes, but this is just my personal bias :D.

 

I also belive asgard is a bit warmer than magni (maybe thats why its recommended by schiit), becouse the vocals dont seem to be so distant as in the E17.

 

Im looking to add a Schiit uber bifrost to this setup later on, but my local store dosent have em yet.

 

Note however, that this is purely my opinion. The problem here is what sort of sound signature you like. Becouse of this you would do well in testing yourself before commiting if in any way possible.

As far as i know, the vast majority of the human population responds better to forward mids rather than forward highs or lows, but everyone is different.

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