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post #11191 of 20208

Has anyone used the BIfrost/Gungnir with these?

I currently use HE-400 with Fiio E-17 as DAC using optical and the asgard 1. 

I want to upgrade my DAC but i dont know what sort of difference can i expect from those two (considering the price) and also the upcoming schiit DAC Yddgrasil.

 

Also i get a very anoying pitch from the usb connection to the Fiio E17 (if its charging from the USB), i assume external DACs with their own power supply dosent have this issue, right?

post #11192 of 20208
Going from the e17 DAC to my new DAC was pretty much around half the upgrade going from e17 amp to my other amplifier if I have to quantify it. Price was the same of both DAC and amp...
In general you can expect more realism in the soundstaging, and a bit more resolution, along with more clarity. I see it as a necessary step if you want to perfect the sound of your system, but not anything that is necessary to enjoy any headphone that is not ultra hi-end. If I were you, I would have a hard time deciding whether I should upgrade DAC or amp.
post #11193 of 20208

Edit: Sorry to be a bother <3


Edited by Mattyhew - 7/5/13 at 9:56am
post #11194 of 20208

Use a credit card.

 

Else, look at the OP.


Edited by davidsh - 7/5/13 at 9:54am
post #11195 of 20208

Anyone else using the HE-500 cable on the HE-400? Any improvements?

post #11196 of 20208
Thread Starter 

The he-4 cable make no difference sonically FWIW. It's a lot nice to use though. 

post #11197 of 20208
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Originally Posted by reiserFS View Post

Anyone else using the HE-500 cable on the HE-400? Any improvements?

From what I recall briefly trying it, it made the HE-400 a hair brighter so I'd say stick with a cable that uses copper like the stock canare.  Beyond that, no major differences. FWIW, I prefer OFC/OCC copper on my HE-500, so it depends on personal preference really.

post #11198 of 20208

Went and bought the HE-400 from a local dealer yesterday. Running it with velour pads and the silver cable, looks sexy and is a mighty step up from the HE-300. Has some clarity like stats with impact not seen on them, but not quite there yet. I must say that I sorta want to listen to a HE-6 now. This is my first ortho, and man, is it good.

 

post #11199 of 20208
Thread Starter 

Ortho hp's are truly a special experience for those who haven't tried them. Looks like you're giving them plenty of power which is what they need. 

 

Enjoy!!

post #11200 of 20208

Sure enjoying them! Would adding a Audio-Gd C2C amp to the chain improve them furthermore? Heard they scale pretty well.

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Ortho hp's are truly a special experience for those who haven't tried them. Looks like you're giving them plenty of power which is what they need. 

 

Enjoy!!

post #11201 of 20208
Thread Starter 

Meh...the he400 is one of the easiest orthos to drive. You'll get some improvement with more power but I wouldn't chase it for this headphone. Now the he-4...or the he-6...get all the power you can afford. 

post #11202 of 20208
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Originally Posted by reiserFS View Post

Sure enjoying them! Would adding a Audio-Gd C2C amp to the chain improve them furthermore? Heard they scale pretty well.

 

I don't think they sell it anymore, but for its original price (300$) you can have the NFB-11.32, which includes a great DAC chip (ES9018):

http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFB11.32/NFB11.32EN.htm

 

Its only disadvantage is that the built-in amplifier can't be used standalone.

The DAC output can be taken to another amplifier though.

 

It sounds AMAZING with HE-400 (or any other headphone I own).

post #11203 of 20208

There's actually a C2C on eBay right now that I'm bidding on. Licked blood with the HE-400 and might upgrade to the HE-500 or HE-6 sometime, so a standalone amp would be nice I guess.

Besides that I really enjoy my NFB-5.

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Originally Posted by BenF View Post

 

I don't think they sell it anymore, but for its original price (300$) you can have the NFB-11.32, which includes a great DAC chip (ES9018):

http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFB11.32/NFB11.32EN.htm

 

Its only disadvantage is that the built-in amplifier can't be used standalone.

The DAC output can be taken to another amplifier though.

 

It sounds AMAZING with HE-400 (or any other headphone I own).

 

Gonna bid for a while on the amp and report my findings if they improve with a separate amp. Heck, if not - I can always sell the C2C. 

 

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Meh...the he400 is one of the easiest orthos to drive. You'll get some improvement with more power but I wouldn't chase it for this headphone. Now the he-4...or the he-6...get all the power you can afford. 


Edited by reiserFS - 7/7/13 at 4:21pm
post #11204 of 20208
Once you go ortho, you don't go back.

edit: yey 200th post!
post #11205 of 20208
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

Going from the e17 DAC to my new DAC was pretty much around half the upgrade going from e17 amp to my other amplifier if I have to quantify it. Price was the same of both DAC and amp...
In general you can expect more realism in the soundstaging, and a bit more resolution, along with more clarity. I see it as a necessary step if you want to perfect the sound of your system, but not anything that is necessary to enjoy any headphone that is not ultra hi-end. If I were you, I would have a hard time deciding whether I should upgrade DAC or amp.

Well, the thing is that the AMP unit has enought power already for the HE-400, and even thou i understand that better amps might be more refined, I would upgrade the amp only if i was selling all my equipment to get the next upgrade (wich i dont feel at this point will be required).

However you did answer my main question, in general terms. Thx. I am guessing that with the HE-400 the Bifrost to Gungnir and Gungnir to Yddgrasil Jumps would not be such a huge improvment as.... lets say the sennheiser HD800, am i correct?

 

If so, I guess ill just get the uber bifrost, and if someday i get a better paid job that allows me to afford a higher end system, then ill consider it.

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