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post #10996 of 20481
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Originally Posted by roguegeek View Post

Thujone, even though you are my arch enemy and a complete jerk, I heeded your advice and picked up the HE-400 as a kind of bridge on the journey to the HE-500. In conclusion, screw you.

I see your wallet and I are soon to have a more damaging relationship than our own...biggrin.gif

post #10997 of 20481
If you are wrong about this purchase, I will find you physically, spiritually, and morally accountable.
post #10998 of 20481
Good job, Thujone.
post #10999 of 20481
I want to buy the HE-400's for listening to edm and gaming, but I am unsure of what else I need to buy to make the full use of them and have Virtual 5.1 (or 7.1 if it's any good). I've seen in Mad Lust Envy's thread that he connects from his console to the Astro Mixamp to his e17, but that is just for gaming. Right now I have an old Creative Sound Blaster Titanium Fatality Pro that outputs optical to my Astro Mixamp. AFAIK my computer is outputting Dolby 5.1 and the Mixamp is also creating it's own simulated virtual surround and feeding that to my headphones right now.
 
I want to be able to use my HE-400's and have virtual surround sound from my games and at the same time be able to fully utilize lossless and FLAC audio. Will I need a better sound card, a high quality DAC, and a high quality amp? And if I do need any of those, what exact products would be best for me? They would be used strictly at my desk so nothing portable is necessary.
 
Edit: I feel like I just had an epiphany that my question was actually pretty stupid. It obviously should work if I go soundcard optical --> mixamp --> o2 amp --> headphones. The only question I have is: will my sound card or mixamp bottleneck my FLAC or lossless files?

Edited by Fraguh - 6/20/13 at 4:26am
post #11000 of 20481
Thread Starter 

^^ Not quite sure I understand your question. The he400 doesn't need a whole lot of power to sound very good. It does scale up some with better gear, but the return for the money is small. For listening to EDM you've probably already got what you need in the Sound Blaster. You'd see some improvement with the fiio17 but again, it would be modest.

 

For gaming questions, you'll better served asking on MLE's thread.

 

gL!!

post #11001 of 20481
What are some of the aftermarket cables that u guys use? I find the stock a bit too rigid n long for my liking. Preferably something to tone down the treble as well. Thanks for any advice

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post #11002 of 20481
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Originally Posted by Fraguh View Post
 
Edit: I feel like I just had an epiphany that my question was actually pretty stupid. It obviously should work if I go soundcard optical --> mixamp --> o2 amp --> headphones. The only question I have is: will my sound card or mixamp bottleneck my FLAC or lossless files?

I'm fairly certain that the optical output in itself completely bypasses the soundcard. Outputting digital audio means that the soundcard isn't actually doing anything.

post #11003 of 20481
Thread Starter 

I've tried the Norse and Q Audio cables and liked them both. Honestly, I don't hear a ton of difference with cables but there have been a few situations where I've been able to hear an appreciable difference. I think that you'd do better with a pad swap to address the treble issue or try some EQ.

 

I like custom cables for custom length, build quality and usability. They ones that I buy are much softer and more flexible than the stock cable. 

post #11004 of 20481
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Originally Posted by Fraguh View Post

I want to buy the HE-400's for listening to edm and gaming, but I am unsure of what else I need to buy to make the full use of them and have Virtual 5.1 (or 7.1 if it's any good). I've seen in Mad Lust Envy's thread that he connects from his console to the Astro Mixamp to his e17, but that is just for gaming. Right now I have an old Creative Sound Blaster Titanium Fatality Pro that outputs optical to my Astro Mixamp. AFAIK my computer is outputting Dolby 5.1 and the Mixamp is also creating it's own simulated virtual surround and feeding that to my headphones right now.
 
I want to be able to use my HE-400's and have virtual surround sound from my games and at the same time be able to fully utilize lossless and FLAC audio. Will I need a better sound card, a high quality DAC, and a high quality amp? And if I do need any of those, what exact products would be best for me? They would be used strictly at my desk so nothing portable is necessary.
 
Edit: I feel like I just had an epiphany that my question was actually pretty stupid. It obviously should work if I go soundcard optical --> mixamp --> o2 amp --> headphones. The only question I have is: will my sound card or mixamp bottleneck my FLAC or lossless files?

 

Why aren't you just asking this in the gaming thread? They'd be able to answer your question right away, especially since it's a console question.

post #11005 of 20481

I'm starting to like the HE-400 more than my beloved HD 650. Especially with electronic music and classical.

 

Only downside is that they are far less forgiving on lossy music than the Senns.

 

Edit- I haven't lurked here for a while, so sorry if this is redundant! tongue_smile.gif


Edited by dxanex - 6/20/13 at 7:06pm
post #11006 of 20481
Thread Starter 

The he-400 works well for classical because of attack, speed, decay and good sound stage. It's better than the hd650 IMO and I do like my 650's. 

post #11007 of 20481
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

The he-400 works well for classical because of attack, speed, decay and good sound stage. It's better than the hd650 IMO and I do like my 650's. 


I used to use my K702 pretty much exclusively with classical and film scores, but I'm finding the HE-400 just sounds more musical as opposed to the more analytical nature of the AKG's. Soundstage is still king on the K702, but for pure enjoyment the HE-400 is really fantastic.

 

The HD 650 is just too laid back for classical IMO, sounds nice but it puts me to sleep in a few minutes flat!

post #11008 of 20481
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Originally Posted by roguegeek View Post

 

Why aren't you just asking this in the gaming thread? They'd be able to answer your question right away, especially since it's a console question.

It is 100% not a console question, I only plan on using them with my PC.

 

Anyways, thanks for the responses.

post #11009 of 20481

Any opamp rolling gurus subscribed here ?

 

I'm looking to drop a custom opamp in a Matrix DAC M-stage soon.

 

I've been told that OPA2209, OPA1642 and OPA602BP are nice upgrades but not specifically for synergy with the 400's.

Was also told that 627's and 637's not  good drop-in opamps for Matrix hardware even though a lot of ebay sellers offer them as rolling options in their listing....something to do with a mis-match in speed design I believe.

 

My aim if possible is to tame the treble a bit at the amp stage. I may also upgrade to the 500's in future, therefore trying to find an opamp that would be good for the 400's and 500's....and I read bumping the M-stage +10 gain is OK for the 500's so I do like the flexibility of this amp.....(opamp rolling and gain control)

Though given how cheap the dual opamps are, I could buy one more suited for the 500's later.

 

Ideally I would like the emotiva speaker amp but just not practical for me right now, plus seems there are only 2 retail avenues for international shipping on the 5KG Emotiva amp...so that upgrade option is on ice just now !

 

 

 

Total cost inc. opamp upgrade will be 190 pounds or $295 from ebay so I'm also open to diverting the cash into any kind of DAC/amp of this size/price that is better value as well for a 400/500 pair up that I've maybe not managed to dig up on head-fi........(Schitt stuff being out due to voltage.)


Edited by Lohb - 6/22/13 at 8:39am
post #11010 of 20481
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Originally Posted by Fraguh View Post

It is 100% not a console question, I only plan on using them with my PC.

 

Anyways, thanks for the responses.

Why do you have the mix amp then? It has no use in your setup.

 

You should use cmss-3d from your sound card. I even think you can use that even though you are going digital out form the sound card. If so, you should rather have you setup like this: Sound card -> DAC -> Amp.


Edited by davidsh - 6/21/13 at 4:37am
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