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post #10951 of 18063
Anyone know how much it costs to manufacture the 009? Asked because is there any chance this technology becomes more affordable- easier to manufacture- so people who don't have $12,000 can still hope to one day afford an equally great system.
post #10952 of 18063

There are cheap electrostats if you wanted to know what electrostats can sound like.

post #10953 of 18063

This hobby is so dangerous with upgradeitis that it needs 18+ rating IMO. Man, I hate my friend that got me into this damn hobby lol...

post #10954 of 18063

Unfortunately my HD-650's left the house before the HE-400's arrived.. but I can hear certain similarities that have been discussed earlier.

 

That said the HE-400 are pretty much what I hoped/feared from comments in this thread. I did get a minor "wow" from the layering/detail/speed. Unfortunately the piercing highs do bug me a bit, after extended listening it feels like someone's sticking a screwdriver in my ear(kind of how I feel about most Grados, though not as bad). Female vocals and hi-hats in certain songs are the worst. In some cases it's almost headache-inducing.

 

I'll keep these for a while and play with EQ some more. I do like the ortho sound, but I've also rediscovered my respect for Darth Beyers :)

A downside is I don't think like there are reasonably priced upgrade paths left for now. I'm fairly sure I'd like the LCD-2, but they are too expensive/cumbersome. After I'm done with the HE-400 I might still give Mad Dogs a try(especially if Dan actually finds a European distributor).

 

 

In case there are other OS X users out there looking for a free EQ solution, here's one:

http://osxdaily.com/2012/05/18/equalizer-for-all-audio-mac-os-x/

 

You have find AU Labs download yourself, unless you have Apple dev access. I imagine Google helps, though.


Edited by RubberDuk - 6/16/13 at 3:26am
post #10955 of 18063
I keep seeing this over and over again, so I will finally ask the question. What do you piercing highs and female vocals have anything to do with one another? The highest note ever sang by a human being is somewhere around 2000 Hz. The piercing highs on this headphone come from the 8000-10,000 Hz region. If you have a man or a woman make a "sssss" sound, it will be in the highs region (5000+ Hz) regardless - but that isn't considered a note being sung because it doesn't use your vocal chords. That being said, all this talk about female vocals being piercing seems to me like placebo is taking its toll. When I first tried to tackle the question of what mids, highs, and bass were in terms of frequency, I was initially under the impression that sopranos would be considered in the highs category based on several sources on the internet. Then, I found sources with concrete frequency ranges to describe the three, and I found that the "highs" are well above any note that can be produced by any human or normal instrument with the exception of cymbals and artifacts created by the human voice (whether man or woman) such as "ss", "th", "f", etc. Yes, I will admit that timbre of some instruments (snare drum comes to mind) is dependent on the driver's treble extension (ie more pronounced highs brings more crispness to a snare drum), but I still think piercing highs and female vocals have nothing in common. I have plenty of male vocal recordings that are insanely sibilant and other female recordings that aren't... Am I missing something huge that needs to be considered?
Edited by Thujone - 6/16/13 at 4:38am
post #10956 of 18063
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Originally Posted by RubberDuk View Post

Unfortunately my HD-650's left the house before the HE-400's arrived.. but I can hear certain similarities that have been discussed earlier.

 

That said the HE-400 are pretty much what I hoped/feared from comments in this thread. I did get a minor "wow" from the layering/detail/speed. Unfortunately the piercing highs do bug me a bit, after extended listening it feels like someone's sticking a screwdriver in my ear(kind of how I feel about most Grados, though not as bad). Female vocals and hi-hats in certain songs are the worst. In some cases it's almost headache-inducing.

 

Headache inducing? Ouch...

 

I really hope hifiman will do a rev.2 of the he400.

post #10957 of 18063
Thread Starter 

Does anyone have a pair of the J$ Beyer pads that they'd willing to sell?

 

thanks..

post #10958 of 18063
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Does anyone have a pair of the J$ Beyer pads that they'd willing to sell?

 

thanks..

I do have a pair that I don't use, but I'm not too keen on selling it... Especially considered I paid like almost 100$ because of taxes.

post #10959 of 18063
Thread Starter 

^^ Ouch, taxes suck. Let me amend the above request by stating that I'm looking for a pair of J$ conus. 

post #10960 of 18063
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

Nahh, don't want to throw the tonal balance off. I have my Stax for that. Speaking of Stax:

 

From memory I'd tend to think the Stax I have now is more revealing than the 007. The 007 has more bass, way smoother sound and a tonality better suited for vocals, though. Also a bit more well proportioned sound stage. The signature is kinda like: 'Hey, who cares if the sound is a bit etchy, and the tonal balance is a bit off. DETAILS all the way!'

 

Yeah, I know. That's why I want it so much. A friend of mine had one and said he regretted selling it to buy a SR-009(which he didn't in the end because it got too expensive). Considering I know his tastes and the fact that he owns a HE-500 today and said the last remembers the SR-007 (in terms of sweetness), I'm almost sure it is my perfect end-game can (if something like this exists).

 

From time to time, someone shows up selling a used set here on a brazilian audio forum. A short time ago there was one for a really good price... I almost went bananas.


Edited by Okamoto - 6/16/13 at 9:24am
post #10961 of 18063
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post

I keep seeing this over and over again, so I will finally ask the question. What do you piercing highs and female vocals have anything to do with one another? The highest note ever sang by a human being is somewhere around 2000 Hz. The piercing highs on this headphone come from the 8000-10,000 Hz region. If you have a man or a woman make a "sssss" sound, it will be in the highs region (5000+ Hz) regardless - but that isn't considered a note being sung because it doesn't use your vocal chords. That being said, all this talk about female vocals being piercing seems to me like placebo is taking its toll. Am I missing something huge that needs to be considered?
My impression is that the only reason these are mentioned together is they are both suggested flaws of the headphone- sibilance on female vocals, and fatiguing treble. As time has passed, it seems this is more a reflection of poorly recorded performances, and not poorly designed headphones. If it's recorded well, the HE400 will demonstrate that, and in an exciting fashion too.
Edited by Zuckfun - 6/16/13 at 6:38pm
post #10962 of 18063

Has anyone experienced an issue where the screw that attaches the yoke works it's way off of the driver and pops out? I can't get HiFiMan to service it and I don't really want to have to replace them out of pocket.

post #10963 of 18063
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post

I keep seeing this over and over again, so I will finally ask the question. What do you piercing highs and female vocals have anything to do with one another? The highest note ever sang by a human being is somewhere around 2000 Hz. The piercing highs on this headphone come from the 8000-10,000 Hz region. If you have a man or a woman make a "sssss" sound, it will be in the highs region (5000+ Hz) regardless - but that isn't considered a note being sung because it doesn't use your vocal chords. That being said, all this talk about female vocals being piercing seems to me like placebo is taking its toll. When I first tried to tackle the question of what mids, highs, and bass were in terms of frequency, I was initially under the impression that sopranos would be considered in the highs category based on several sources on the internet. Then, I found sources with concrete frequency ranges to describe the three, and I found that the "highs" are well above any note that can be produced by any human or normal instrument with the exception of cymbals and artifacts created by the human voice (whether man or woman) such as "ss", "th", "f", etc. Yes, I will admit that timbre of some instruments (snare drum comes to mind) is dependent on the driver's treble extension (ie more pronounced highs brings more crispness to a snare drum), but I still think piercing highs and female vocals have nothing in common. I have plenty of male vocal recordings that are insanely sibilant and other female recordings that aren't... Am I missing something huge that needs to be considered?

It's actually an artifact of vocal recordings that gets amplified into excess tizziness via HE400s. Especially with female vocals, throaty / raspy harmonics turn into noise in the 10-15kHz region with the recording process in a lot of cases. That plus HE400s being emphasized in that region means any tizz (which arguably then is a fault with recordings) becomes nasty.


Edited by jerg - 6/17/13 at 12:02am
post #10964 of 18063
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Originally Posted by jay567 View Post

This hobby is so dangerous with upgradeitis that it needs 18+ rating IMO. Man, I hate my friend that got me into this damn hobby lol...

Id say most ppl under 18 are not focued on this hobby.

 

You need money for it not to mention critical thinking and patience. So far i never met someone like that under 18, except me i guess :D. (im 29 now but at 15 i was already buying sennheiser HPs).

post #10965 of 18063
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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post

Id say most ppl under 18 are not focued on this hobby.

 

You need money for it not to mention critical thinking and patience. So far i never met someone like that under 18, except me i guess :D. (im 29 now but at 15 i was already buying sennheiser HPs).

Guess I fit the categories biggrin.gif (I'm 17)

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