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post #10936 of 20484
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The 007 was the best hp I heard at the Atlanta meet. There was "more expensive" hp's there but I enjoyed the 007 more. 

post #10937 of 20484
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

The 007 was the best hp I heard at the Atlanta meet. There was "more expensive" hp's there but I enjoyed the 007 more. 

Very enjoyable indeed. Funny thing is, out of a lot of headphones at a recent meet, I enjoyed the JVC DX1000 the most.

post #10938 of 20484
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That's the cool thing about meets. You get to listen to gear where price doesn't matter. I'll never own the 007. But it was neat to be able to hear it and understand what the sound signature was all about. I also got to hear the he-6 on speaker taps. Again, I can't afford that setup but it help me to put it in perspective with the other HFM products I've owned. 

post #10939 of 20484

How'd the 007 sound like to the HE-400.

post #10940 of 20484
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Not even on the same planet. If you only have one word to describe the Stax, it would be "realism." They startled you with the ability to sound so lifelike and natural. It's literally as close as you can come to being there listening to actual live music. 

 

I guess I need to start playing the lottery if I plan to have a chance to own them. 

post #10941 of 20484

What about the bass impact and extension?  It's the thing that turns me off the most about electrostats compared to planars.

 

How about the tonality in general?  Does it still retain the same elevated bass and lower mids with a slight reduction in upper mids and slight peak in the treble?

 

 

I might just sell this still in the shipping box lego falcon I have and get like 5-10k from it to get an 007 one of these days.

post #10942 of 20484
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Not even on the same planet. If you only have one word to describe the Stax, it would be "realism." They startled you with the ability to sound so lifelike and natural. It's literally as close as you can come to being there listening to actual live music. 

I guess I need to start playing the lottery if I plan to have a chance to own them. 

This! I listened to the SR-009/BHSE at the Dallas meet last week, using my own tracks. I almost cried. It made everything else in the room seem so plain, including the LCD-3, HD800, etc.

It single handedly cured my upgradeitis, and replaced it with endgameitis. I have to own one within the next 4 years. Maybe I'll use it to build credit....
post #10943 of 20484
The bass is not as present, but more precise. It is actually a part of the soundstage instead of like a good subwoofer (he-400)
post #10944 of 20484
The bass was the biggest surprise for me. The 009 had gobs of sub-bass, but it was the classiest bass I've ever heard. Clean, every note was heard, and it had way more natural impact than something like the HD800.
post #10945 of 20484
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This! I listened to the SR-009/BHSE at the Dallas meet last week, using my own tracks. I almost cried. It made everything else in the room seem so plain, including the LCD-3, HD800, etc.

It single handedly cured my upgradeitis, and replaced it with endgameitis. I have to own one within the next 4 years. Maybe I'll use it to build credit....

 

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

The bass was the biggest surprise for me. The 009 had gobs of sub-bass, but it was the classiest bass I've ever heard. Clean, every note was heard, and it had way more natural impact than something like the HD800.

 

What eke says. Listening to the stax was an epiphany for me. Cathartic. This is what all I've always wanted to hear when I put hp's own to listen to music. The lcd3 sounded great, fantastic even but it couldn't hold a candle to the Stax setup. 

 

I sampled lots of setups but kept coming back to the Stax for another quickie. I'm still trying to decide if it was a good or bad thing to hear them. Nah, it was great. Even though I'll never own a Lambo if you offered to let me test drive you better believe I'll take you up on it. 

post #10946 of 20484

In the end planar magnetic is still a "hack" compared to modern planar electrostatic headphones. Instead of stats which have a perfectly even and ultra-thin diaphragm, sandwiched between finely-designed plates that have very little interference on sound, you get orthos which have thicker diaphragms that are uneven due to the metallic patterned tracings adhered onto them, sandwitched between dozens of bar magnets on plates that cause unwanted reverbs and distortions before the sound even escapes the drivers.

 

Of course orthos are attractive because they are a great compromise between stats and dynamics in terms of sound and amp requirements, but the one saving grace they have in terms of sound is  that characteristically they always seem to have the thick, lush lower end that neither stats nor dynamics can capture as well. Some might hate that quality though, as it's more of a musicality preference than straight-up SQ superiority.


Edited by jerg - 6/15/13 at 11:13am
post #10947 of 20484
Anyone know how much it costs to manufacture the 009? Asked because is there any chance this technology becomes more affordable- easier to manufacture- so people who don't have $12,000 can still hope to one day afford an equally great system.
post #10948 of 20484

There are cheap electrostats if you wanted to know what electrostats can sound like.

post #10949 of 20484

This hobby is so dangerous with upgradeitis that it needs 18+ rating IMO. Man, I hate my friend that got me into this damn hobby lol...

post #10950 of 20484

Unfortunately my HD-650's left the house before the HE-400's arrived.. but I can hear certain similarities that have been discussed earlier.

 

That said the HE-400 are pretty much what I hoped/feared from comments in this thread. I did get a minor "wow" from the layering/detail/speed. Unfortunately the piercing highs do bug me a bit, after extended listening it feels like someone's sticking a screwdriver in my ear(kind of how I feel about most Grados, though not as bad). Female vocals and hi-hats in certain songs are the worst. In some cases it's almost headache-inducing.

 

I'll keep these for a while and play with EQ some more. I do like the ortho sound, but I've also rediscovered my respect for Darth Beyers :)

A downside is I don't think like there are reasonably priced upgrade paths left for now. I'm fairly sure I'd like the LCD-2, but they are too expensive/cumbersome. After I'm done with the HE-400 I might still give Mad Dogs a try(especially if Dan actually finds a European distributor).

 

 

In case there are other OS X users out there looking for a free EQ solution, here's one:

http://osxdaily.com/2012/05/18/equalizer-for-all-audio-mac-os-x/

 

You have find AU Labs download yourself, unless you have Apple dev access. I imagine Google helps, though.


Edited by RubberDuk - 6/16/13 at 3:26am
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