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post #10621 of 20001

Ok, so I've finally got to an EQ that I think I'll really enjoy with these cans. -5dB at 8k and -9dB on 16k. This probably sounds blasphemous to those who love the sound signature without EQ but I'm loving these. Sibilance is gone except for bad recordings/mastering.

 

The HE-400 is the king of drum & bass.

post #10622 of 20001
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post

Ok, so I've finally got to an EQ that I think I'll really enjoy with these cans. -5dB at 8k and -9dB on 16k. This probably sounds blasphemous to those who love the sound signature without EQ but I'm loving these. Sibilance is gone except for bad recordings/mastering.

The HE-400 is the king of drum & bass.

At the risk of stirring the pot once again, what's the point? Not of what you've done here, but all these mods and EQ tweaks in general? I've modded my AT AD700 to where it's more comfortable than the HE-400 will ever be. (Some would say it is already more comfortable out of the box.) Now if I go in for EQ correction as severe as that you've applied here, I can get a sound signature that is as appealing to me as the He-400 too.

My point is why are people willing to go through such contortions to make this particular hp enjoyable? Is it to justify $300-400 they (mis) spent on the 400 than the $75-125 they could have spent?
post #10623 of 20001

Pretty drastic eq there, but glad you've found something that works for you. 

 

And totally agree on your last statement. 

post #10624 of 20001
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Originally Posted by BigCabDaddy View Post

At the risk of stirring the pot once again, what's the point? Not of what you've done here, but all these mods and EQ tweaks in general? I've modded my AT AD700 to where it's more comfortable than the HE-400 will ever be. (Some would say it is already more comfortable out of the box.) Now if I go in for EQ correction as severe as that you've applied here, I can get a sound signature that is as appealing to me as the He-400 too.

My point is why are people willing to go through such contortions to make this particular hp enjoyable? Is it to justify $300-400 they (mis) spent on the 400 than the $75-125 they could have spent?


An eq'd ad700 can have a pleasing signature, but it still won't have the sonic qualities that ultimately separate it from a headphone such as the he400.
post #10625 of 20001
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

An eq'd ad700 can have a pleasing signature, but it still won't have the sonic qualities that ultimately separate it from a headphone such as the he400.

Definitely disagree with you there. At that juncture it comes down to the particular sound signature you value. More to the point though is, what makes the HE400 worth torturing in these ways as opposed to other headphones? Or if you must stretch my original point, why are certain models singled out for massive modifications? The JVC HA S500 and a couple of Somics come to mind from my reading thus far.

Last thing I want to set off is the tired headphone A is better than headphone B argument. What I'm trying to discuss is why do we go through such gyrations to "rescue" only certain models?
post #10626 of 20001
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Originally Posted by Thujone View Post

Ok, so I've finally got to an EQ that I think I'll really enjoy with these cans. -5dB at 8k and -9dB on 16k. This probably sounds blasphemous to those who love the sound signature without EQ but I'm loving these. Sibilance is gone except for bad recordings/mastering.

 

The HE-400 is the king of drum & bass.

Not blasphemous at all. Although you'll get used to the treble fast, if you're not using other speakers/headphones with more neutral treble.

post #10627 of 20001
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Originally Posted by BigCabDaddy View Post

My point is why are people willing to go through such contortions to make this particular hp enjoyable? Is it to justify $300-400 they (mis) spent on the 400 than the $75-125 they could have spent?

Every headphone in this price range has some quirks that might be cured with some eq-ing/other mods. The thing is, you're not going to get anything better than the HE-400 + jergpads/J$s and some equing to tone down the treble for the price. 

 

Also don't forget that some music might have been really badly produced and contain a lot of sibilance. Electronic music often has vocal samples that are plain awful sounding.


Edited by Marleybob217 - 5/19/13 at 10:29am
post #10628 of 20001
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

Every headphone in this price range has some quirks that might be cured with some eq-ing/other mods. The thing is, you're not going to get anything better than the HE-400 + jergpads/J$s and some equing to tone down the treble for the price. 

Also don't forget that some music might have been really badly produced and contain a lot of sibilance. Electronic music often has vocal samples that are plain awful sounding.

"better?" Several months into this hobby, I no longer know the meaning of the word. What I do know is there are a number of models at the price point and below that would not require such an extreme high frequency notch/slope as applied by the original poster of this thread branch.
post #10629 of 20001
Everybody is pragmatic enough, they'll find the combination of hardware, mods, and whatever else they can to arrive at their most preferred sound. Why do hd800 users dwell on source chains many, many times more expensive than the headphone itself? Why is the t50rp so vigerously modded for better sound? People recognize potential.

Ad700, when eq'd for a bassier sound that's more neutral, turns into a blob of mud. It's warm sounding alright, but nowhere as controlled as he400. The midrange is too diffused and ill-focused compared to higher quality offerings. Eq can't fix these things, only substantial modding or better drivers.
post #10630 of 20001

I can't decide on the 16k, I keep switching between -3 and -9 (I can barely hear those frequencies and honestly don't care to). I definitely lose more sound dropping the 8k but I can listen for much longer without being fatigued. I wasn't trying to stir the pot, I was sharing what I found was necessary for me to be able enjoy them. The main thing I'm getting at is that sibilance isn't the end of the world after all. I've been doing a lot of A/B with my modded T50RP's and my HD580's without EQ and I still find the HE-400's brighter than both of them with my drastic EQ. I'll be honest, I definitely had thoughts of returning them initially. I have managed to stay away from EQ up until this point, so I was scared of it (haha).

 

Needless to say, I am absolutely digging these cans. I'm very impressed with them; they sound very unique compared to my other headphones and it's a very enjoyable change.

post #10631 of 20001
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

Not blasphemous at all. Although you'll get used to the treble fast, if you're not using other speakers/headphones with more neutral treble.

The treble is definitely growing on me. They are still some of my brightest cans even with the EQ so I'm thinking eventually I'll keep raising the bars until I'm back to a flat EQ. Currently I am far from a treble head though :)

post #10632 of 20001

LOL so now EQ is this amazing new thing that can make mid-range headphones sound high-end. 

post #10633 of 20001
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Everybody is pragmatic enough, they'll find the combination of hardware, mods, and whatever else they can to arrive at their most preferred sound. Why do hd800 users dwell on source chains many, many times more expensive than the headphone itself? Why is the t50rp so vigerously modded for better sound? People recognize potential.

Ad700, when eq'd for a bassier sound that's more neutral, turns into a blob of mud. It's warm sounding alright, but nowhere as controlled as he400. The midrange is too diffused and ill-focused compared to higher quality offerings. Eq can't fix these things, only substantial modding or better drivers.

Sorry I mentioned the AD700. You've obviously fixated on that and have gotten distracted. The rest of your post here is marvelous though. Perceived value and the HD800 example both get at what I was wondering about. Another example can be found in the vintage receiver thread that I follow. People thrill at finding some garden variety Kenwood at $100 only to spend $500 to have it restored. You can't tell me that the end result is sonically better than a $600 modern amp, but to each their own I guess.
post #10634 of 20001
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Originally Posted by BigCabDaddy View Post


"better?" Several months into this hobby, I no longer know the meaning of the word. What I do know is there are a number of models at the price point and below that would not require such an extreme high frequency notch/slope as applied by the original poster of this thread branch.

Resolution pretty much. The amount of detail and realism of the sound. Atleast imo.

post #10635 of 20001
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Originally Posted by BigCabDaddy View Post

Sorry I mentioned the AD700. You've obviously fixated on that and have gotten distracted. The rest of your post here is marvelous though. Perceived value and the HD800 example both get at what I was wondering about. Another example can be found in the vintage receiver thread that I follow. People thrill at finding some garden variety Kenwood at $100 only to spend $500 to have it restored. You can't tell me that the end result is sonically better than a $600 modern amp, but to each their own I guess.

Well there's no doubt an enthusiast approach to it in some cases, but I would like to think that everybody is trying to pursue their most desired sound. I'm not in the right to judge everybody's sanity in the hobby, but the only reason I still have an he400 with mild treble eq is because its the best I've heard and willing to spend on so far. If a drastically eq'd and modified he400 is the best someone else has heard, then more power to them for keeping it.
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