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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

I am positive that some people's treble issues are due to loud listening.

 

Agreed, but the fact remains that the HE-400 does have a slightly bothersome treble. With jergpad and slight EQ it's perfectly fine.

 

Slightly unrelated story. Back when I owned my Fiio E17 and Senn IE80 I gave it to a friend to have a listen since he was curious how it sounded. I usually listen to around 30-35 on the 0db gain setting. Plenty loud for me. When he started listening he set the volume to 60 (max)! He even asked if it goes any louder but I refrained from telling him you can increase the gain for fear of his hearing. I was shocked.

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your story reminded me of last weekend.  I had a few people at my house and my little brother that I lend my XB700 for long term (really permanent) wanted to listen to the HE400, I set it at 11:00 and he slowly crank it up to either really close to max or max volume on the Magni.  It was insane because people started to make comments like "wow that is scary."  I never heard my HE400 not on my head at that loud of a volume before and now I understand what people mean when they say "sound like desktop speakers."  I can hear everything clearly.  When he stopped, took off the headphone, and he commented "wow I can hear everything". My comment was "I hope so because we all can."  Crazy stuff.

post #10593 of 17960

Listening at too high of a volume? My normal listening levels are around 9 o'clock on my audio GD fun.  I find that I listen to music at VERY acceptable levels, it's just that the HE-400's treble is so pronounced that it makes even listening to music at an acceptable level a near painful experience for me.  I really wanted to like these headphones and for the most part I do.  They have a very nice bass response, the mids are more or less engaging, but the treble is basically flipping me off every time I put the headphone on. Most of my files are modern recordings and we all know those are mastered very hot but I can't really recall a situation in the past where I absolutely had to take a headphone off my head due to the pounding of a merciless treble.  I don't even believe my HD800 or T1 did anything like this at acceptable volumes.

 

I did more testing last night and it seems like the pleather pads do tone down the treble a bit but they muffle up the whole sound signature.  The Denon J$ pads are more of the same with their extra thick screen. The beyerdynamic J$ pads have a nice sound but absolutely no screen to them so you're at the mercy of the treble.  The velour sounds better than the pleather / Denon J$ pads to me yet a bit dark compared to the beyerdynamic J$ pads. Hmm, I think the Beyerdynamic j$ pads will probably have a good compromise of everything if paired with the velour pad screen too.

 

The pads really do have a different sound so it makes me wonder about the Jerg pads.  I guess the only way to know is to try it right?

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While I think some mods can improve what is already a good product, no amount of modding is going to turn what you think is a sow's ear into a silk purse.  I thought the HE-400s were pretty terrible headphones.  Many like them; I don't.  There is nothing wrong with people liking them, and there is nothing wrong with people not liking them.  Whatever floats your boat.  I returned the HE-400s and bought the HE-500s instead, and I am a helluva lot happier for it.  Yes, the HE-500 is more expensive and have some amping requirements you need to be mindful of, but it is also a much better headphone (at least for me).

 

--Jerome
 

post #10595 of 17960
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Originally Posted by Poetik View Post

 

............. The beyerdynamic J$ pads have a nice sound but absolutely no screen to them so you're at the mercy of the treble.  The velour sounds better than the pleather / Denon J$ pads to me yet a bit dark compared to the beyerdynamic J$ pads. Hmm, I think the Beyerdynamic j$ pads will probably have a good compromise of everything if paired with the velour pad screen too.

 

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+1. But you can use similar material to fashion a screen for the J$ pads. I bought some material from the local store which was a very good approximation for the original screen that comes with the pleaters. To my ears, there is no treble issue. I have been meaning to get to the jergpad mod for almost 3 months now...just very little time unfortunately....... Considering outsourcing it to my sister-in-law who is very good with tailoring and stuff biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post

 

+1. But you can use similar material to fashion a screen for the J$ pads. I bought some material from the local store which was a very good approximation for the original screen that comes with the pleaters. To my ears, there is no treble issue. I have been meaning to get to the jergpad mod for almost 3 months now...just very little time unfortunately....... Considering outsourcing it to my sister-in-law who is very good with tailoring and stuff biggrin.gif

LOL, I want to outsource the Jerg mod to a female friend as well.

post #10597 of 17960
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

Agreed, but the fact remains that the HE-400 does have a slightly bothersome treble. With jergpad and slight EQ it's perfectly fine.

 

Slightly unrelated story. Back when I owned my Fiio E17 and Senn IE80 I gave it to a friend to have a listen since he was curious how it sounded. I usually listen to around 30-35 on the 0db gain setting. Plenty loud for me. When he started listening he set the volume to 60 (max)! He even asked if it goes any louder but I refrained from telling him you can increase the gain for fear of his hearing. I was shocked.

The HE-400 do not have a slightly bothersome treble. That is to say, they don't for me. I don't think it's harsh or sibilant at all. I quite enjoy it. Just pointing out that no, that is not a "fact"!

post #10598 of 17960
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The Annie and the HE-400 are quite different in presentation. They're more complimentary than competitive. The HE-400 has bass the Annie won't match (despite them having good bass), and the HE-400 won't match the mids and balance on the Annie. The treble is also night and day. HE-400 is quite sparkly, the Annie is smooth.

Like vastly different headphones, give them their due time without much A/B-ing until you've been quite accustomed to the Annie's sound.

How are those Kingsound stats?

post #10599 of 17960
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Originally Posted by ninjames View Post

The HE-400 do not have a slightly bothersome treble. That is to say, they don't for me. I don't think it's harsh or sibilant at all. I quite enjoy it. Just pointing out that no, that is not a "fact"!

Part of that may be because of revisions but I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that.

post #10600 of 17960
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I agree. The 880 does have tighter bass than the Annie. The Annie's bass is softer and more ambientthan the 880s, which is faster.

The HE400 is a dark headphone with the exception of its treble which seems out of place in its darkness. Its problematic to some people because dark headphones dont tend to have that kind of treble. Its ultimately easier on the ears when a headphone starts off bright. Like I find the 990s to be less glaring than the HE400, because your ears expect the brightness.

Kinda hard to explain. Its like when you go from a dark headphone to a bright one. Your ears take a bit to get accustomed to the signature change. With the HE400, you dont really get enough time to adjust from darkness to brightness, so the treble can come off as a bit fatiguing.

this, definitely.
post #10601 of 17960
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Originally Posted by ninjames View Post

The HE-400 do not have a slightly bothersome treble. That is to say, they don't for me. I don't think it's harsh or sibilant at all. I quite enjoy it. Just pointing out that no, that is not a "fact"!

 

Wow seriously no harshness or sibilance at all on the HE-400? I know we all have different ears but are you sure you haven't lost the ability to hear those frequencies?


Edited by Poetik - 5/18/13 at 11:11am
post #10602 of 17960
It's very recording dependant when dealing with the upper treble. It's not something like the dt990 that's more of like a plateau and makes nearly everything sound bright. I think it was jerg that dubbed the he-400 as the headphone without a sound signature with a picture of Eastwood. That describes it well.
post #10603 of 17960
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Originally Posted by Poetik View Post

 

Wow seriously no harshness or sibilance at all on the HE-400? I know we all have different ears but are you sure you haven't lost the ability to hear those frequencies?

The key word here is "bothersome." The sound is not bothersome to everyone!

post #10604 of 17960
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Originally Posted by Poetik View Post

 

Wow seriously no harshness or sibilance at all on the HE-400? I know we all have different ears but are you sure you haven't lost the ability to hear those frequencies?

Nope, I can hear up to 18khz and haven't noticed the treble issue that so many speak of.  I also have the AKG K702 65th Annies, HE500, and have borrowed the DT770 LE and the DT880 660, so I have other data points to compare to.

post #10605 of 17960
Same boat here no bothersome.
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