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post #10591 of 20490
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Originally Posted by Poetik View Post

 

............. The beyerdynamic J$ pads have a nice sound but absolutely no screen to them so you're at the mercy of the treble.  The velour sounds better than the pleather / Denon J$ pads to me yet a bit dark compared to the beyerdynamic J$ pads. Hmm, I think the Beyerdynamic j$ pads will probably have a good compromise of everything if paired with the velour pad screen too.

 

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+1. But you can use similar material to fashion a screen for the J$ pads. I bought some material from the local store which was a very good approximation for the original screen that comes with the pleaters. To my ears, there is no treble issue. I have been meaning to get to the jergpad mod for almost 3 months now...just very little time unfortunately....... Considering outsourcing it to my sister-in-law who is very good with tailoring and stuff biggrin.gif

post #10592 of 20490
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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post

 

+1. But you can use similar material to fashion a screen for the J$ pads. I bought some material from the local store which was a very good approximation for the original screen that comes with the pleaters. To my ears, there is no treble issue. I have been meaning to get to the jergpad mod for almost 3 months now...just very little time unfortunately....... Considering outsourcing it to my sister-in-law who is very good with tailoring and stuff biggrin.gif

LOL, I want to outsource the Jerg mod to a female friend as well.

post #10593 of 20490
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

Agreed, but the fact remains that the HE-400 does have a slightly bothersome treble. With jergpad and slight EQ it's perfectly fine.

 

Slightly unrelated story. Back when I owned my Fiio E17 and Senn IE80 I gave it to a friend to have a listen since he was curious how it sounded. I usually listen to around 30-35 on the 0db gain setting. Plenty loud for me. When he started listening he set the volume to 60 (max)! He even asked if it goes any louder but I refrained from telling him you can increase the gain for fear of his hearing. I was shocked.

The HE-400 do not have a slightly bothersome treble. That is to say, they don't for me. I don't think it's harsh or sibilant at all. I quite enjoy it. Just pointing out that no, that is not a "fact"!

post #10594 of 20490
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The Annie and the HE-400 are quite different in presentation. They're more complimentary than competitive. The HE-400 has bass the Annie won't match (despite them having good bass), and the HE-400 won't match the mids and balance on the Annie. The treble is also night and day. HE-400 is quite sparkly, the Annie is smooth.

Like vastly different headphones, give them their due time without much A/B-ing until you've been quite accustomed to the Annie's sound.

How are those Kingsound stats?

post #10595 of 20490
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Originally Posted by ninjames View Post

The HE-400 do not have a slightly bothersome treble. That is to say, they don't for me. I don't think it's harsh or sibilant at all. I quite enjoy it. Just pointing out that no, that is not a "fact"!

Part of that may be because of revisions but I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that.

post #10596 of 20490
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I agree. The 880 does have tighter bass than the Annie. The Annie's bass is softer and more ambientthan the 880s, which is faster.

The HE400 is a dark headphone with the exception of its treble which seems out of place in its darkness. Its problematic to some people because dark headphones dont tend to have that kind of treble. Its ultimately easier on the ears when a headphone starts off bright. Like I find the 990s to be less glaring than the HE400, because your ears expect the brightness.

Kinda hard to explain. Its like when you go from a dark headphone to a bright one. Your ears take a bit to get accustomed to the signature change. With the HE400, you dont really get enough time to adjust from darkness to brightness, so the treble can come off as a bit fatiguing.

this, definitely.
post #10597 of 20490
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Originally Posted by ninjames View Post

The HE-400 do not have a slightly bothersome treble. That is to say, they don't for me. I don't think it's harsh or sibilant at all. I quite enjoy it. Just pointing out that no, that is not a "fact"!

 

Wow seriously no harshness or sibilance at all on the HE-400? I know we all have different ears but are you sure you haven't lost the ability to hear those frequencies?


Edited by Poetik - 5/18/13 at 11:11am
post #10598 of 20490
It's very recording dependant when dealing with the upper treble. It's not something like the dt990 that's more of like a plateau and makes nearly everything sound bright. I think it was jerg that dubbed the he-400 as the headphone without a sound signature with a picture of Eastwood. That describes it well.
post #10599 of 20490
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Originally Posted by Poetik View Post

 

Wow seriously no harshness or sibilance at all on the HE-400? I know we all have different ears but are you sure you haven't lost the ability to hear those frequencies?

The key word here is "bothersome." The sound is not bothersome to everyone!

post #10600 of 20490
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Originally Posted by Poetik View Post

 

Wow seriously no harshness or sibilance at all on the HE-400? I know we all have different ears but are you sure you haven't lost the ability to hear those frequencies?

Nope, I can hear up to 18khz and haven't noticed the treble issue that so many speak of.  I also have the AKG K702 65th Annies, HE500, and have borrowed the DT770 LE and the DT880 660, so I have other data points to compare to.

post #10601 of 20490
Same boat here no bothersome.
post #10602 of 20490
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Originally Posted by Poetik View Post

 

Wow seriously no harshness or sibilance at all on the HE-400? I know we all have different ears but are you sure you haven't lost the ability to hear those frequencies?

I'm experiencing the same issue, trust me. I don't like EQ either, but it it will help makes the highs much more tolerable so you can enjoy the rest of the spectrum.

post #10603 of 20490
There's little reason not to like eq.
post #10604 of 20490
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Originally Posted by Poetik View Post

Just got done listening to the HE-400's.

 

My ears are COMPLETELY done and now I want to burn down a whole village.

 

What the hell were they thinking with the treble? SERIOUSLY? Lets make take a great sounding headphone and totally screw it up with the treble.  Holy crap way to go hifiman!!!!! I really thought that I liked treble, I mean I used to think it was definitely necessary.  Not anymore! Now I'm scared to even go anywhere near it.. I'm forever scarred from that experience!!

 

Beyerdynamic J$ pads, Denon v3 J$ pads, Hifiman pleather, and Hifiman velour all do not help.  I am totally against using EQ so my only hope is the jerg mod.  Will that mod possibly cure the pain and anguish that I feel right now? Or am I forever doomed to be disappointed by in my opinion, one of the worst blunders in headphone sound signature history?

 

SOMEONE HELP!!!!!

Jergpad will not help enough for you. Sounds like you have very sensitive ears for treble. I advice you to buy the HD650. And maybe see an ear doctor.

post #10605 of 20490

The he-400 would be my perfect headphone if it had slightly forward mids and balanced treble, but then again if it did all that people wouldn't buy the he-500 lmao.

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