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post #10456 of 18107
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

No reason to get the e17 if you are getting the dragonfly too. You can't use the e17 DAC with the ipod anyway...

post #10457 of 18107
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Originally Posted by 3ternalDr4gon View Post

I posted in the HD650 thread saying that I prefer the HE400's because they are easy to drive, and some over there have mentioned that the HD650's can still sound good from a portable amp. I'm here trying to get both sides of the story before pulling the trigger lol.

 

According to David Mahler, the HE400's can sound good even out of an iPod. I'm sure that they will still sound better out of an CMoyBB or something similar. I mentioned the CMoyBB because someone said the HD650's sound fine coming out of those. However, David Mahler also said that the HE400's sound good from an E17, while the HD650's do not.

 

So I guess what I'm trying to ask is, what is better:

iPod Classic 7G --> CMoyBB --> HD650

or

iPod Classic 7G --> CMoyBB (or E17) --> HE400

 

Also, I noticed how the CMoyBB is an amp, while the E17 is an amp/DAC. Am I missing out on a lot by getting an amp instead of an amp/DAC? Additionally, I plan on getting the DragonFly to listen to music on my cpu. Without a desktop amp, is that still efficient with either of these cans?

 

Thanks in advance guys

I can't really tell the difference between the HE400 directly into an iPad2 and the HE400 with the ODAC/O2.  To give you a reference point for my hearing acuity, I can tell the difference between 24-bit, 96khz Nine Inch Nails - The Slip and the 320kbps, mp3 version.  You can download it for free here: http://theslip.nin.com/


Edited by Limniscate - 5/11/13 at 5:23pm
post #10458 of 18107
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Originally Posted by 3ternalDr4gon View Post

I posted in the HD650 thread saying that I prefer the HE400's because they are easy to drive, and some over there have mentioned that the HD650's can still sound good from a portable amp. I'm here trying to get both sides of the story before pulling the trigger lol.

According to David Mahler, the HE400's can sound good even out of an iPod. I'm sure that they will still sound better out of an CMoyBB or something similar. I mentioned the CMoyBB because someone said the HD650's sound fine coming out of those. However, David Mahler also said that the HE400's sound good from an E17, while the HD650's do not.

So I guess what I'm trying to ask is, what is better:
iPod Classic 7G --> CMoyBB --> HD650
or
iPod Classic 7G --> CMoyBB (or E17) --> HE400

Also, I noticed how the CMoyBB is an amp, while the E17 is an amp/DAC. Am I missing out on a lot by getting an amp instead of an amp/DAC? Additionally, I plan on getting the DragonFly to listen to music on my cpu. Without a desktop amp, is that still efficient with either of these cans?

Thanks in advance guys

Sometimes I have to wonder if I have the same 400s as everyone else. I consider mine hugely amplification dependent. They did not come alive until I switched away from my portable Pico dac/amp. Wasn't a matter of volume but of SQ.
post #10459 of 18107
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Originally Posted by BigCabDaddy View Post


Sometimes I have to wonder if I have the same 400s as everyone else. I consider mine hugely amplification dependent. They did not come alive until I switched away from my portable Pico dac/amp. Wasn't a matter of volume but of SQ.

Not to worry. I have the same 400 as you do. Mine is very dependent on the amplification as well. Between the Lyr and the Soloist, that's taken care of adequatelysmily_headphones1.gif

post #10460 of 18107
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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post


Many women would love to have that "problem".

 

I could see HFM marketing it to appeal to the female consumer biggrin.gif

It's a blessing and a curse I'm afraid. I doubt hifiman would implement a split headband, or make a lighter headphone for the sake of hair :p

I recon about 50% of hifiman's customers is bald/balding anyway!

But honestly it's the reason I don't use this headphone more often.

post #10461 of 18107
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Originally Posted by 3ternalDr4gon View Post

I mean, you could just as well get an e11 or another portable amp with no built in dac, because you won't be using the dac anyway.

post #10462 of 18107
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

I mean, you could just as well get an e11 or another portable amp with no built in dac, because you won't be using the dac anyway.

True, but Fiio hasn't made a portable amp only that has both bass and treble controls. That treble control is an absolute necessity IMHO. Even if I didn't have a need for portable DAC, I'd get the E17 because of that.
post #10463 of 18107
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

It's a blessing and a curse I'm afraid. I doubt hifiman would implement a split headband, or make a lighter headphone for the sake of hair :p

I recon about 50% of hifiman's customers is bald/balding anyway!

But honestly it's the reason I don't use this headphone more often.


Well, you could hear them laid down. It may mitigate the issue.

post #10464 of 18107

Haha, ykno, I just watched an unboxing video of these cans on youtube. The presentation is so terrible and such a buzz kill. I guess it just makes putting them on a more pleasant surprise. If these were in the store though, I can easily see them collecting dust for such a lack of an engaging box.

 

That being said though, I'm glad I'm choosing these over the HD650's. Since they're a new company, they are probably just spending money on product quality over marketing, and it's nice to support a company that's relatively new that makes a good $/performance ratio product. I would like to think that my purchase will financially help them move forward towards a better marketing scheme, and therefore more attention and sales. Because although I haven't tried their products just yet, from what I read around here, they definitely deserve it.

post #10465 of 18107
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Originally Posted by BigCabDaddy View Post


Sometimes I have to wonder if I have the same 400s as everyone else. I consider mine hugely amplification dependent. They did not come alive until I switched away from my portable Pico dac/amp. Wasn't a matter of volume but of SQ.

Agree.  I noticed significant changes when I switched from the NuForce IconHD to the Yulong D18/A18 combo.  The NuForce was brighter but brought out the vocals a bit more.  The Yulong has much better imaging, sound-stage depth and micro detail.  I also noticed the bass was more powerful on the Yulong combo.

post #10466 of 18107
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Originally Posted by TexasBuck View Post

Agree.  I noticed significant changes when I switched from the NuForce IconHD to the Yulong D18/A18 combo.  The NuForce was brighter but brought out the vocals a bit more.  The Yulong has much better imaging, sound-stage depth and micro detail.  I also noticed the bass was more powerful on the Yulong combo.

I got rid of my Nuforce dac2 before I got my HE-400 but I imagine the pairing to be purty ugly.
post #10467 of 18107
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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post


Well, you could hear them laid down. It may mitigate the issue.

Haha, it took a while for me to understand that sentence! It would indeed help, but it's quite impossible to get me away from my desk.

post #10468 of 18107
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

Haha, it took a while for me to understand that sentence! It would indeed help, but it's quite impossible to get me away from my desk.

Yeah, It seems I used the wrong word. I always mix up 'lie' and 'lay'. Sucks not to be a native speaker.

post #10469 of 18107
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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post

Yeah, It seems I used the wrong word. I always mix up 'lie' and 'lay'. Sucks not to be a native speaker.

Didn't even notice that... Also not a native speaker here.

post #10470 of 18107

though I would love a solid build of Jergpads, I do kinda like my botch DIY job as well :D They've survived some travels which is awesome. 

 

I contributed to the sound improvement of my cans (and the headband mod cushion is nice too) at the advice of Jerg. 

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