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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post

Sounds great.

Ill test it when i get home.

 

Also, i dont have a problem with plain text. Ive Programed a bit on Php so i guess ill manage to figure it out eventually.

 

 

 

 

he-400treblefixer1.txt 1k .txt file

 

 

Here's mine incase your interested. It has a 3.5db dip at 9Khz and 16Khz, and a smaller dip around 12Khz.

post #10427 of 18432
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Originally Posted by jsaliga View Post

This thread is information overload to the nth degree. smily_headphones1.gif  Sorry for adding to the cacophony of opinion and experience.

 

I have only had my HE-400s for a few days so it really is too early to say for sure how I will feel about these cans, but my first impressions are not particularly positive.  I am using mine with the velour pads.  I thought the leather pads were unlistenable

 

I have read, and read some more, and then read even more, and probably read some of the same stuff over and over again about the HE-400 and HE-500.  I'm not new to headphones, and have owned at one time or another the following: Sennheiser HD650, AKG-K701, AKG-K1000, Grado RS1, and Grado GS1000.  But I have not been a serious headphone listener for three or four years.  I am back to needing a good sounding set of phones for serious listening late at night.  The HE-400s are a lot darker than I was expecting, and they remind me a lot of the Sennheiser HD650s.  At the moment I am driving them with a Woo Audio WA2 since that is the preamp in my speaker setup.  I was planning on buying a WA6SE as a dedicated headphone amp, but that purchase was depending a great deal on how I felt about the HE-400.  I wanted to wade into the Hifiman sound with the entry level planar magnetics first, expecting to also buy a pair of HE-500s to go with the WA6SE.  Now I am not so sure.  At the moment I don't even think the HE-400s sound as good as my Sennheiser HD598s, which cost half the price.  The HE-400s are dark, they distort at high volume, and the treble is pretty abysmal (cymbals and hi-hats sound very tizzy and flat, with a pretty rapid decay).  The midrange, mid-bass, and bass are all quite good even though they are dark.  I don't know to what extent the HE-500s will address the shortcomings I am perceiving in the HE-400s and I can't tell from reading reviews and owner comments or comparisons.

 

For now I am willing to give it some time with the HE-400s.  I'm not in a rush.  But if I am not feeling better about them after a time then I will probably scuttle my plans, forget the WA6SE, and just buy a pair of Senneheiser HD600s and call it a day, saving myself a lot of money.  Or maybe step up and give the Sennheiser HD800s a try.
 

--Jerome

I have read multiple times that the WA2 is not suited for planars. If the HE-400 distort at high volume it is due to the amp, unless you have a faulty pair. I doubt it would distort badly, even if you put 1 watt RMS through it.

 

The WA2 surely will not be enough for the HE-500.

 

Also, I can only agree on what Jerg says about the 400 vs 500. 

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And I have read numerous posts from some highly respected members here that the WA2 is fine for the HE-400 and HE-500.  Check Skylab's posts in particular for one, and there are quite a few others.  Who do you decide to believe?  The point is that you have to be willing to go a little bit out on a limb and try things for yourself to determine what works best for you.  Opinions can be helpful, but they are also of limited value, since there is far from a consensus on any headphone or amp on the market.  You can drive yourself crazy sorting all of that out, trying to determine who is repeating something they read elsewhere, who is speculating or theorizing, and who is commenting from direct experience.

 

As I said in the text you quoted, I was planning on buying a WA6SE for the HE-500s.  So I am fairly well informed about the amping needs of these phones.
 

--Jerome


Edited by jsaliga - 5/9/13 at 8:18am
post #10429 of 18432
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

 

 

 

he-400treblefixer1.txt 1k .txt file

 

 

Here's mine incase your interested. It has a 3.5db dip at 9Khz and 16Khz, and a smaller dip around 12Khz.

Looks relativly simple.

Ill check it out in about 1.5 hours on mass effect 2 and give ya some feedback on it.

That game on the HE-400 is dangerous when you shoot some guns :D

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Still testing the equalizer, so far it helped a bit but not yet sure if its placebo or real improvment :D.

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Oh and BTW, i kinda forgot.

Thx to mister HIFIMAN, Mister Fang, for making something so good that i could afford!

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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post

Still testing the equalizer, so far it helped a bit but not yet sure if its placebo or real improvment :D.

 

For sure it's not placebo. You can actually enable and disable the equalizer in realtime while music is playing so you can hear the difference. Simply point the the main config file to a null.txt with no EQ adjustment and Ctrl+Z to revert to the hifimanhe400fix.txt. You'll hear the difference immediately....

 

Perhaps we should take this to pm?

post #10433 of 18432
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

 

 

 

he-400treblefixer1.txt 1k .txt file

 

 

Here's mine incase your interested. It has a 3.5db dip at 9Khz and 16Khz, and a smaller dip around 12Khz.

 

awsome man! thx!

post #10434 of 18432
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Honestly the velour mod is too advanced for most people, from the feedback I've read over the course of people doing the mod. I've been tampering around it myself recently and honestly, sewing might actually be the most convenient as well as (obviously) the most robust method for it, took me about an hour to do the sewing job onto both pads with my nonexistent sewing skills, and the results are much better than the tape method. Overall though I've been shying away from pushing this part of the jergpad mod on people nowadays because of the labour-intensiveness of it compared to the other 3 parts of the mod.

 

That said, it makes a huge difference if you can pull it off. There is still a hint of residual pleather muddiness in the jergpads without the velour mod, and that gets cleaned up nicely with it.

 

Quick photo of the velour top sewing I did recently:

 

 

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Those damping holes look so homogeneous. These pads look very nice, they are very sell-able. Even though you don't want to!

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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

Those damping holes look so homogeneous. These pads look very nice, they are very sell-able. Even though you don't want to!

Thanks. Oh I would def sell some if I could make some, but for the time being it's a time investment I can't afford to make. I was hoping someone good at modding would do that (do the jergpad as commissions for other head-fiers) but so far nothing concrete.

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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Thanks. Oh I would def sell some if I could make some, but for the time being it's a time investment I can't afford to make. I was hoping someone good at modding would do that (do the jergpad as commissions for other head-fiers) but so far nothing concrete.

Have you figured out the cost and time investment? I'm guessing it would become cost prohibitive if you wanted to make a legitimate profit. Then again, with what people pay for cables...
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Originally Posted by BigCabDaddy View Post


Have you figured out the cost and time investment? I'm guessing it would become cost prohibitive if you wanted to make a legitimate profit. Then again, with what people pay for cables...

I mod fairly slowly and carefully so I would say per pair of pads, it takes me 40 mins to do Part 1, 10 mins to do Part 2, probably upwards to an hour to do Part 3 (I'm terrible at sewing), and 5 mins to do Part 4. So in total about 2 hours with no breaks. If they are done in bulk, that could be cut down to 1h30m maybe, not sure though.

 

In terms of material costs, it's close to nothing (tape you can get in dollar stores, and scissors you would have already) more than the pads themselves.

 

So in that sense then if this is to be made into a legitimately profitable venture, payment for around 2 hours of fairly taxing work would be fair - something around 50-70$ (on top of the customer paying for round shipping costs, and for the pleather pads + velour pads, ofc) depending on the modder's expertise, efficiency, and greed. Lol.

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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

I mod fairly slowly and carefully so I would say per pair of pads, it takes me 40 mins to do Part 1, 10 mins to do Part 2, probably upwards to an hour to do Part 3 (I'm terrible at sewing), and 5 mins to do Part 4. So in total about 2 hours with no breaks. If they are done in bulk, that could be cut down to 1h30m maybe, not sure though.

In terms of material costs, it's close to nothing (tape you can get in dollar stores, and scissors you would have already) more than the pads themselves.

So in that sense then if this is to be made into a legitimately profitable venture, payment for around 2 hours of fairly taxing work would be fair - something around 50-70$ (on top of the customer paying for round shipping costs, and for the pleather pads + velour pads, ofc) depending on the modder's expertise, efficiency, and greed. Lol.

See? That's kind of what I thought except I'd think you'd need to redouble the price for a truly profitable venture. If I were to do it, I'd try to source raw velour instead of tearing apart pads for it thus reducing cost. I'm thinking they'd come in at a price of $100 - $150 were I to do it and I'm not sure there would be demand at that price point.
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Originally Posted by BigCabDaddy View Post


See? That's kind of what I thought except I'd think you'd need to redouble the price for a truly profitable venture. If I were to do it, I'd try to source raw velour instead of tearing apart pads for it thus reducing cost. I'm thinking they'd come in at a price of $100 - $150 were I to do it and I'm not sure there would be demand at that price point.

Good points and yep, at that price the demand would go off a cliff. This is probably best staying as a DIY mod.

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The J$'s cannot have been profitable
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