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post #10411 of 18673
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

She tied a knot or two on the tailing end as close to the pad as possible, and then cut off the excess string. You can see it in the pic here. I could probably shave off a couple more millimeters off the excess, but im not bothered.

 

Hm that's a different sewing style than what I used, I zigzagged over and under between the velour material and the pleather underneath, rather than the straight sew pattern with your pads.

post #10412 of 18673
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Hm that's a different sewing style than what I used, I zigzagged over and under between the velour material and the pleather underneath, rather than the straight sew pattern with your pads.

 

Ah right, your method would take more work I'd assume. But I think tying a knot at the end would still work no?

 

I used the zigzag technique when sewing the mounting ring to the pad, so I know from experience how much work it is. I think it's noticeable in my first pic.

post #10413 of 18673
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Don't post graphs if you can't interpret them properly ("It looks kinda similar to me..."), also comparing graphs across two different sources (even if they are measured by the same person, the compensation curving, smoothing, and scaling are different) makes the comparison null. 

 

Here are two pairs of measurements (each pair with exact same plotting parametres*** this is important!).

 

Measurement pair 1:

 

HE400: http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE400.pdf

HE500: http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE500.pdf

 

Note the critical difference being the 12kHz peak of HE400 that even has some temporal ringing trailing after it, THAT is the problematic peak. HE500's cleanly-decayed smooth hump centered around 10kHz is actually very smooth-sounding and adds to the treble detail and spark with no grain or tizz. Also, the upper midrange valley in HE400 accentuates its already biting treble, while HE500's midrange is in-line in levels with its treble hump meaning the treble sounds coherent, not standing out of laying back.

 

Lastly, measurements are just measurements - they are but a window to the truth. Impressions/reviews-wise you can't find enough praise for HE500's treble smoothness. You don't have a real perspective to argue with, if you haven't auditioned it yet!

Actually the response plots (not the waterfalls) DO look rather similar at a glance. What is more obvious with the HE-400s is the 1 Khz 'hill'. The 400s appear to take about a 10 db 'scoop' out of the 1-6 khz area while the 500's do about 5 db. I assume this makes the HE's appear to have a more 'recessed' upper midrange than the 500s, but the response is overall less flat. That and it probably tames the bass quite a bit.

 

It is more difficult to see that, in treble extremes, the HE-500 actually do inherently what many do when they EQ the HE-400, which is kill response in the 10-15/20 khz area. Other than that, it is obvious that the HE-500 has different square wave response and lower distortion. Wish I could hear the 500s for a more precise sense of what is going on with them. They are probably quite close to what I try to make the 400s sound like at times.

post #10414 of 18673
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Originally Posted by MrMateoHead View Post

Actually the response plots (not the waterfalls) DO look rather similar at a glance. What is more obvious with the HE-400s is the 1 Khz 'hill'. The 400s appear to take about a 10 db 'scoop' out of the 1-6 khz area while the 500's do about 5 db. I assume this makes the HE's appear to have a more 'recessed' upper midrange than the 500s, but the response is overall less flat. That and it probably tames the bass quite a bit.

 

It is more difficult to see that, in treble extremes, the HE-500 actually do inherently what many do when they EQ the HE-400, which is kill response in the 10-15/20 khz area. Other than that, it is obvious that the HE-500 has different square wave response and lower distortion. Wish I could hear the 500s for a more precise sense of what is going on with them. They are probably quite close to what I try to make the 400s sound like at times.

The thing that hurts HE400's treble so much, and that is the major difference if you A/B between the innerfidelity measurements of 400 vs 500, is the extra peak in the 400 response centered in the teen kHz's.

 

That is not a benign peak either, as the CSDs do indicate some minor ringing trailing from it (which could explain why the "tizz" is still there, albeit in less amount, when HE400 owners do everything from using pleathers which tone down treble, and straight EQing which also does it - if there is ringing, the tizz sticks around).

 

This is unlike HE500's treble hump which is just a clean hump that decays fast like the rest of the spectrum, and which reacts remarkably well to any kind of attenuation, whether it be pad change or EQing. It's like playdo.

post #10415 of 18673

After reading all the reviews about Hifiman HE400, I decided to test it out at my local headphone shop today. I ended buying it right then and there! Damn, I'm in love with these headphones. I got it a lot pricier than I would online but heck support the local shops eh! :D I'm no audiophile but these headphones are like crack once you love one you can't stop buying more! :o

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This thread is information overload to the nth degree. smily_headphones1.gif  Sorry for adding to the cacophony of opinion and experience.

 

I have only had my HE-400s for a few days so it really is too early to say for sure how I will feel about these cans, but my first impressions are not particularly positive.  I am using mine with the velour pads.  I thought the leather pads were unlistenable

 

I have read, and read some more, and then read even more, and probably read some of the same stuff over and over again about the HE-400 and HE-500.  I'm not new to headphones, and have owned at one time or another the following: Sennheiser HD650, AKG-K701, AKG-K1000, Grado RS1, and Grado GS1000.  But I have not been a serious headphone listener for three or four years.  I am back to needing a good sounding set of phones for serious listening late at night.  The HE-400s are a lot darker than I was expecting, and they remind me a lot of the Sennheiser HD650s.  At the moment I am driving them with a Woo Audio WA2 since that is the preamp in my speaker setup.  I was planning on buying a WA6SE as a dedicated headphone amp, but that purchase was depending a great deal on how I felt about the HE-400.  I wanted to wade into the Hifiman sound with the entry level planar magnetics first, expecting to also buy a pair of HE-500s to go with the WA6SE.  Now I am not so sure.  At the moment I don't even think the HE-400s sound as good as my Sennheiser HD598s, which cost half the price.  The HE-400s are dark, they distort at high volume, and the treble is pretty abysmal (cymbals and hi-hats sound very tizzy and flat, with a pretty rapid decay).  The midrange, mid-bass, and bass are all quite good even though they are dark.  I don't know to what extent the HE-500s will address the shortcomings I am perceiving in the HE-400s and I can't tell from reading reviews and owner comments or comparisons.

 

For now I am willing to give it some time with the HE-400s.  I'm not in a rush.  But if I am not feeling better about them after a time then I will probably scuttle my plans, forget the WA6SE, and just buy a pair of Senneheiser HD600s and call it a day, saving myself a lot of money.  Or maybe step up and give the Sennheiser HD800s a try.
 

--Jerome

post #10417 of 18673
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Originally Posted by jsaliga View Post

This thread is information overload to the nth degree. smily_headphones1.gif  Sorry for adding to the cacophony of opinion and experience.

 

I have only had my HE-400s for a few days so it really is too early to say for sure how I will feel about these cans, but my first impressions are not particularly positive.  I am using mine with the velour pads.  I thought the leather pads were unlistenable

 

I have read, and read some more, and then read even more, and probably read some of the same stuff over and over again about the HE-400 and HE-500.  I'm not new to headphones, and have owned at one time or another the following: Sennheiser HD650, AKG-K701, AKG-K1000, Grado RS1, and Grado GS1000.  But I have not been a serious headphone listener for three or four years.  I am back to needing a good sounding set of phones for serious listening late at night.  The HE-400s are a lot darker than I was expecting, and they remind me a lot of the Sennheiser HD650s.  At the moment I am driving them with a Woo Audio WA2 since that is the preamp in my speaker setup.  I was planning on buying a WA6SE as a dedicated headphone amp, but that purchase was depending a great deal on how I felt about the HE-400.  I wanted to wade into the Hifiman sound with the entry level planar magnetics first, expecting to also buy a pair of HE-500s to go with the WA6SE.  Now I am not so sure.  At the moment I don't even think the HE-400s sound as good as my Sennheiser HD598s, which cost half the price.  The HE-400s are dark, they distort at high volume, and the treble is pretty abysmal (cymbals and hi-hats sound very tizzy and flat, with a pretty rapid decay).  The midrange, mid-bass, and bass are all quite good even though they are dark.  I don't know to what extent the HE-500s will address the shortcomings I am perceiving in the HE-400s and I can't tell from reading reviews and owner comments or comparisons.

 

For now I am willing to give it some time with the HE-400s.  I'm not in a rush.  But if I am not feeling better about them after a time then I will probably scuttle my plans, forget the WA6SE, and just buy a pair of Senneheiser HD600s and call it a day, saving myself a lot of money.  Or maybe step up and give the Sennheiser HD800s a try.
 

--Jerome

Hey Jerome

 

HE400 and HE500 are completely different beasts; fun vs behaved, sharp vs smooth, dark vs upfront, spacious vs full-sounding, dirty vs clean background. The core similarities shared between HE400/500 are the separation capabilities, dynamics, and nature of the imaging (planar imaging is fundamentally different from dynamic).

 

If you want to grab some Senn HD6x0s, but could afford the HE500s, there is absolutely no reason not to get the latter.


Edited by jerg - 5/8/13 at 7:54pm
post #10418 of 18673
I think you meant the former, right? Lol.
post #10419 of 18673
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I think you meant the former, right? Lol.

No, the latter.

post #10420 of 18673
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

 

 

If you want to grab some Senn HD6x0s, but could afford the HE500s, there is absolutely no reason not to get the latter.

 

Other than the weight, and almost double the price for a change in sound sig.

post #10421 of 18673
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

No, the latter.

Nvm, read it wrong. Two negatives....
post #10422 of 18673
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

I agree that the HE-400's treble can be too hot for some gaming, things like gun shots can be piercing at times. Luckily someone posted not too long ago a universal EQ program for Windows. It works system wide so you can EQ your games, internet browser, youtube, etc. The program really is a life saver. EqualizerAPO incase you're interested.

Hmm, ill test it when i get home. If it works well enought, i probably wont be buying any other HP for the time being.

Thx beaver.

post #10423 of 18673
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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post

Hmm, ill test it when i get home. If it works well enought, i probably wont be buying any other HP for the time being.

Thx beaver.

 

It can be a little hard to get a grip of the program since there's no curve to work with, it's just code in a text file. I can give you my config so you can get an idea of how it's done. Mine focuses on reducing the sibilants and the tizzy metallic nature of the treble. It's much better now.

post #10424 of 18673
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Hey Jerome

 

HE400 and HE500 are completely different beasts; fun vs behaved, sharp vs smooth, dark vs upfront, spacious vs full-sounding, dirty vs clean background. The core similarities shared between HE400/500 are the separation capabilities, dynamics, and nature of the imaging (planar imaging is fundamentally different from dynamic).

 

If you want to grab some Senn HD6x0s, but could afford the HE500s, there is absolutely no reason not to get the latter.

 

I am a little more encouraged by your comments.  Since Head-Direct has a 30 Day return policy I think I will send them back for a refund and give the HE-500 a try.

 

--Jerome

post #10425 of 18673
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

It can be a little hard to get a grip of the program since there's no curve to work with, it's just code in a text file. I can give you my config so you can get an idea of how it's done. Mine focuses on reducing the sibilants and the tizzy metallic nature of the treble. It's much better now.

Sounds great.

Ill test it when i get home.

 

Also, i dont have a problem with plain text. Ive Programed a bit on Php so i guess ill manage to figure it out eventually.

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