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post #10396 of 18079

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMAN_HE500_graph_frcompare.jpg

 

It looks kinda similar to me...

 

http://www.headphone.com/headphones/hifiman-he-400.php

 

Hell...

it actually looks like the HE-500 has a higher peak than the HE-400, unless im reading it wrong.

post #10397 of 18079
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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMAN_HE500_graph_frcompare.jpg

 

It looks kinda similar to me...

 

http://www.headphone.com/headphones/hifiman-he-400.php

 

Hell...

it actually looks like the HE-500 has a higher peak than the HE-400, unless im reading it wrong.

Don't post graphs if you can't interpret them properly ("It looks kinda similar to me..."), also comparing graphs across two different sources (even if they are measured by the same person, the compensation curving, smoothing, and scaling are different) makes the comparison null. 

 

 

 

Here are two pairs of measurements (each pair with exact same plotting parametres*** this is important!).

 

 

Measurement pair 1:

 

 

HE400: http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE400.pdf

HE500: http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE500.pdf

 

 

 

Measurement pair 2:

 

 

HE400:

HE500:

 

 

 

Note the critical difference being the 12kHz peak of HE400 that even has some temporal ringing trailing after it, THAT is the problematic peak. HE500's cleanly-decayed smooth hump centered around 10kHz is actually very smooth-sounding and adds to the treble detail and spark with no grain or tizz. Also, the upper midrange valley in HE400 accentuates its already biting treble, while HE500's midrange is in-line in levels with its treble hump meaning the treble sounds coherent, not standing out of laying back.

 

Lastly, measurements are just measurements - they are but a window to the truth. Impressions/reviews-wise you can't find enough praise for HE500's treble smoothness. You don't have a real perspective to argue with, if you haven't auditioned it yet!


Edited by jerg - 5/8/13 at 4:48am
post #10398 of 18079

Well, im surely going to test the HP before buying them  ( i guess there is no harm in giving the HE-500 a try as well), but on the graphs you link the HE-500 still seems to have an acentuated treble (might not be harsh or bright, but im simply not looking for a hp that has a treble peak).

 

Thou as you say, ill have to ear myself before beeing sure (however i heard many times the HE-500 needs some burn in, and that before it they sound very bright.... i wont have the time for the burn in probably).


Edited by catspaw - 5/8/13 at 4:51am
post #10399 of 18079
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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post

Well, im surely going to test the HP before buying them  ( i guess there is no harm in giving the HE-500 a try as well), but on the graphs you link the HE-500 still seems to have an acentuated treble (might not be harsh or bright, but im simply not looking for a hp that has a treble peak).

 

Thou as you say, ill have to ear myself before beeing sure (however i heard many times the HE-500 needs some burn in, and that before it they sound very bright.... i wont have the time for the burn in probably).

Like I mentioned in the earlier post, the one thing I nitpick with HE500 is that even though its overall sound is incredibly smooth, it just doesn't sound perfectly right with either of the two Hifiman earpads. The measurements done in both InnerFidelity and Changstar plots are with velour earpads, which I mentioned just makes the treble a tad too hot (though NOWHERE as hot as HE400's treble, trust me) in terms of subjective impression, which is reflected in both the measurements as the smooth but fairly obvious hump around 10kHz.

 

I'm sure you've seen my Jergpad modification thread, but in case you didn't pay attention to it, I actually sent it in for measurements on HE500. Subjectively my modded earpads make the treble oh so smooth and coherent, and it is reflected in the measurements too, as a flattening and "filling up" of the upper mids / treble region.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/646812/hifiman-he500-he400-jergpad-mod-v2-0 (scroll down to the end of the first long post)

 

 

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Of course, I have a fairly nitpicky ear for sound quality. Most HE500 owners are more than content with their cans' SQ without any earpad modifications. Hear for yourself, would be my recommendation.


Edited by jerg - 5/8/13 at 5:01am
post #10400 of 18079

Jergpads are leather right?

If so, I cant use leather (my sweat is salty, it destroys leather and such things).

 

My HE-400 are moded with beyerdynamic pads and i really like them. The problem is, in gaming, the treble is sometimes so hot i simply cant use them.

 

It will go down to real world testing, but if the HE-500 treble is strongly present, i probably wont be able to use it anyway.

 

OFC this also means ill ahve to mod the LCD-2 as well :D.

post #10401 of 18079

They're made from the stock hifiman pleathers, which as its pros and cons.  For one a good synthetic pleather is usually more durable than leather, and the protein pleather of the hifiman pads looks durable to me.  On the other hand they won't breathe causing you to sweat more.

 

I expect Jerg to come in and talk about not looking at the velour mod step in his topic though.

post #10402 of 18079
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

They're made from the stock hifiman pleathers, which as its pros and cons.  For one a good synthetic pleather is usually more durable than leather, and the protein pleather of the hifiman pads looks durable to me.  On the other hand they won't breathe causing you to sweat more.

 

I expect Jerg to come in and talk about not looking at the velour mod step in his topic though.

Honestly the velour mod is too advanced for most people, from the feedback I've read over the course of people doing the mod. I've been tampering around it myself recently and honestly, sewing might actually be the most convenient as well as (obviously) the most robust method for it, took me about an hour to do the sewing job onto both pads with my nonexistent sewing skills, and the results are much better than the tape method. Overall though I've been shying away from pushing this part of the jergpad mod on people nowadays because of the labour-intensiveness of it compared to the other 3 parts of the mod.

 

That said, it makes a huge difference if you can pull it off. There is still a hint of residual pleather muddiness in the jergpads without the velour mod, and that gets cleaned up nicely with it.

 

Quick photo of the velour top sewing I did recently:

 

 

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Edited by jerg - 5/8/13 at 9:16am
post #10403 of 18079

Looks good Jerg, I like the blue string used, that would go well with the HE-400. That pic is the HE-500 right?

post #10404 of 18079
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

Looks good Jerg, I like the blue string used, that would go well with the HE-400. That pic is the HE-500 right?

Yep. The blueness shows up because I had flash on my camera though, under normal light it looks black. But yeah, having done the sewing this once gave me enough experience that if I am to make another pair of jergpads in the future for myself, it should be no-problemo. That's the nature of modding, it's about accumulating experience.

post #10405 of 18079
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Originally Posted by catspaw View Post

Jergpads are leather right?

If so, I cant use leather (my sweat is salty, it destroys leather and such things).

 

My HE-400 are moded with beyerdynamic pads and i really like them. The problem is, in gaming, the treble is sometimes so hot i simply cant use them.

 

It will go down to real world testing, but if the HE-500 treble is strongly present, i probably wont be able to use it anyway.

 

OFC this also means ill ahve to mod the LCD-2 as well :D.

 

I agree that the HE-400's treble can be too hot for some gaming, things like gun shots can be piercing at times. Luckily someone posted not too long ago a universal EQ program for Windows. It works system wide so you can EQ your games, internet browser, youtube, etc. The program really is a life saver. EqualizerAPO incase you're interested.

post #10406 of 18079
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Honestly the velour mod is too advanced for most people, from the feedback I've read over the course of people doing the mod. I've been tampering around it myself recently and honestly, sewing might actually be the most convenient as well as (obviously) the most robust method for it, took me about an hour to do the sewing job onto both pads with my nonexistent sewing skills, and the results are much better than the tape method. Overall though I've been shying away from pushing this part of the jergpad mod on people nowadays because of the labour-intensiveness of it compared to the other 3 parts of the mod.

 

That said, it makes a huge difference if you can pull it off. There is still a hint of residual pleather muddiness in the jergpads without the velour mod, and that gets cleaned up nicely with it.

 

Quick photo of the velour top sewing I did recently:

 

 

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I think I might finally give this mod a try with my pair of pleathers and velours.  I was planning on sewing originally, but you did a really nice job here and it's good to visualize how it will come out.  One more project to the list tongue.gif

post #10407 of 18079
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Originally Posted by modulor View Post

I think I might finally give this mod a try with my pair of pleathers and velours.  I was planning on sewing originally, but you did a really nice job here and it's good to visualize how it will come out.  One more project to the list tongue.gif

 

Go for it dude, I can't speak higher of the mod. Here's my pair

 

 

All that's left now is to mod the headband for comfort, keep an eye out I may have something in the next few weeks.

post #10408 of 18079
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

Go for it dude, I can't speak higher of the mod. Here's my pair

 

 

All that's left now is to mod the headband for comfort, keep an eye out I may have something in the next few weeks.

I have a question for your mother who did the sewing there; how did she tie off the tailing end of the thread after sewing all the way around? That's by far the biggest trouble I have with sewing - how to finish tying it off so it doesn't just come loose over time.

post #10409 of 18079

She tied a knot or two on the tailing end as close to the pad as possible, and then cut off the excess string. You can see it in the pic here. I could probably shave off a couple more millimeters off the excess, but im not bothered.

 

post #10410 of 18079
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

Go for it dude, I can't speak higher of the mod. Here's my pair

 

 

All that's left now is to mod the headband for comfort, keep an eye out I may have something in the next few weeks.

 

Nice! Yeah, same here on the headband pad...I've actually already got my cutting and sewing supplies out working on that, so I may as well do up some jergpads afterwards.
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