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Originally Posted by Chawanwit View Post

How much does it cost??

go to www.sonicstudio.com. I think I paid $ 50 or so. You can ask for a trial - 15 days or so. Typically, they have an offer that if you buy the software soon after the demo, you get 15% off. My memory is vague so please check the latest on that web site. If my URL is wrong, please google Amarra Hifi and it will take you to the website. Hope this helps.

post #10232 of 17616
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

Well you could try different pads, or the jergpad mod. It helps a lot with the treble and upper mids. But you are absolutely right, it's complete nonsense that you have to use an eq with a 400 dollar headphone. Then again I've heard 2000+ usd ultrasone headphones that could not sound good with any degree of mods or equalizers. So far any headphone in the price range of the HE-400 needs some sort of modification, whether it is an expensive amp (hd650), different pads or equalizing. I do hope headphones will start progressing into the more neutral sound. But as long as beats keep making crazy amounts of money, I don't think this will happen any time soon. I still think the HE-400 has one of the best performance/price ratios of any headphone, especially with pad modifications. 

 

The elevated treble on the HE-400 is on purpose. Mr. Fang intended for it so the headphone has a more "American sound". That's why I don't think it's complete nonsense that you need to EQ a $400 headphone, because this was how the sound sig was meant to be. Some people like it and some people don't. I mean, even the LCD2 which costs $1000 could be argued that it needs some EQing to bring up the shelved treble, well at least for some people. It's just the way the engineers decided they want it to sound like.

 

I think it's great that there are no two headphones that sound exactly the same. Gives up consumers greater choice. Imagine a world where every headphone was neutral, that would be quite boring no?

 

With that said, even for me the HE-400's treble untouched is a little too hot on some tracks, that's why I've EQed it down very slightly, just a couple of db's. The slight EQ adjustments along with the jergpad mod has made them perfect for me. Too much EQing and you change the signature which is what I love about this headphone.

post #10233 of 17616

Personally i got used to the treble, and at start i could not manage it (in fact sometimes i add even more treble haha).

 

Not sure how it works, but in some games (especially mass effect) i have to tone down the treble (E17, thank god), or the guns in it basicly pierce my ears :D.

 

Im even actually looking at the HD600 as an adition to the HE-400 to get a more relaxed sound when i need it.

post #10234 of 17616
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

^^ And how are you liking the he500?

just a little update. metal sounded really good but I put Johnny Cash and I was like wow. these are definitely keepers. smily_headphones1.gif
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Thread Starter 

^^ And how the weight and comfort for you?  What are you amping with?

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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

The elevated treble on the HE-400 is on purpose. Mr. Fang intended for it so the headphone has a more "American sound". That's why I don't think it's complete nonsense that you need to EQ a $400 headphone, because this was how the sound sig was meant to be. Some people like it and some people don't. I mean, even the LCD2 which costs $1000 could be argued that it needs some EQing to bring up the shelved treble, well at least for some people. It's just the way the engineers decided they want it to sound like.

 

I think it's great that there are no two headphones that sound exactly the same. Gives up consumers greater choice. Imagine a world where every headphone was neutral, that would be quite boring no?

 

With that said, even for me the HE-400's treble untouched is a little too hot on some tracks, that's why I've EQed it down very slightly, just a couple of db's. The slight EQ adjustments along with the jergpad mod has made them perfect for me. Too much EQing and you change the signature which is what I love about this headphone.

Can't imagine people actually like elevated treble, unless they are partially deaf. About the lcd2? I agree completely, such a bass heavy signature should not cost 1000 dollars, let alone the lcd3 which costs double that. However a lot of people like it a lot, but I don't. I don't listen to bass heavy music, so that might be one reason. 

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

^^ And how the weight and comfort for you?  What are you amping with?

comfort is great. I ride a motorcycle so I'm used to the weight of a 3-4 pound helmet so that's not too bad but you can tell the difference from the 400. using a m-stage right now until i receive a audio-gd NFC 12 I got from sale forum on Thursday
post #10238 of 17616
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

Can't imagine people actually like elevated treble, unless they are partially deaf. About the lcd2? I agree completely, such a bass heavy signature should not cost 1000 dollars, let alone the lcd3 which costs double that. However a lot of people like it a lot, but I don't. I don't listen to bass heavy music, so that might be one reason. 

 

Treble heads maybe? Grado fans? I dunno.. But yeah I don't see the appeal.

post #10239 of 17616

LCD2 isn't even that bass heavy, especially compared to many of the closed headphones on the market.  The often recommended M50 has considerably more bass than the LCD2.  The HE-400 has more bass than the LCD2, but only slightly.

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That I don't agree with. They have similar bass, the only difference between that the mids are recessed on the HE400, making it sound like it has more bass.
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Not really.  Both have very up-front lower mids, and the treble on the HE-400 could be seen as more in your face and distracting enough to take away from its bass presence as well.  In fact lots of people say the LCD2 sounds so bassy because its treble is lowered.

 

I'm just comparing raw bass levels here, I had the perfect opportunity to compare both side by side for days.  Both have around the same amount of bass output and linearity, but the fact that the LCD2 has a slightly tighter bass makes its bass less present quantitive wise most of the time.

 

I also have white driver HE-400 instead of transparent driver, if that means anything.


Edited by TMRaven - 4/30/13 at 8:27am
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

LCD2 isn't even that bass heavy, especially compared to many of the closed headphones on the market.  The often recommended M50 has considerably more bass than the LCD2.  The HE-400 has more bass than the LCD2, but only slightly.

 

Not quite how I hear it. For me, the lcd2 bass is a perfect 10. Why? It's both linear and textured...meaning that it's true to the recording, if the recording isn't bassy then the hp doesn't color it with extra bass but when the recording calls for bass slam it delivers. Textured bass to me means that bass sounds realistic according to the material. Acoustic upright bass, bass guitar, bass drum all sound different and accurate according to the instrument. 

post #10243 of 17616

All of what you just said had nothing to do with raw bass quantity.

post #10244 of 17616
Thread Starter 

You're exactly right. biggrin.gif It's low on my list of bass criteria. Texture and linear ability is way up there for me. 

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I agree too.  A headphone can have as least amount of bass as it wants, but as long as it goes down as low as possible while being linear and hard.

 

Long and hard, that's how I like my bass.


Edited by TMRaven - 4/30/13 at 12:24pm
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