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post #10216 of 18080
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Originally Posted by MunkyNutz View Post

Does anyone know which of these 2 amps would be best for the HFM-400's ?

 

Matrix M-Stage with  Burr Brown OPA627BP with Class A Biasing Mod upgrade

or

Audinst HUD-mx2 Hi-Fi USB Audio DAC

 

Similar price range.

 

The M Stage is a good pairing. I haven't heard the Audinst.

post #10217 of 18080
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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post

MLE, you had to do this:mad: . Alright, what DAC goes well with this ?

I just paired it up with the ODAC and Modi. If you want to be more serious, Audio-GD does sell their own dacs, including a diamond difference design dac to match with the SA-31, but it's pretty expensive. The NFB 2 or 3 are two dacs in the same ballpark as the SA-31, if you care about matching components.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/29/13 at 6:04am
post #10218 of 18080

Another vote for the M-stage, very nice pairing. I haven't changed out the opamp yet though, I like the stock sound sig anyway so I don't feel the need change it, but I doubt you're going to hear any significant changes. I hear they also run hotter with class-a mods, bad idea in the summer. 

post #10219 of 18080
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

Another vote for the M-stage, very nice pairing. I haven't changed out the opamp yet though, I like the stock sound sig anyway so I don't feel the need change it, but I doubt you're going to hear any significant changes. I hear they also run hotter with class-a mods, bad idea in the summer. 


Great to know, but I think I'm being silly thinking I can feed the FLAC through a budget Muse 2704 DAC into the M-Stage and release the HFM magic ! Would I also need a $150 + DAC ?

post #10220 of 18080
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Originally Posted by MunkyNutz View Post


Great to know, but I think I'm being silly thinking I can feed the FLAC through a budget Muse 2704 DAC into the M-Stage and release the HFM magic ! Would I also need a $150 + DAC ?

 

dac wouldn't necessarily impact sound quality significantly unless it were a really crappy dac. Of course some people swear by dramatic CABLE differences so...

post #10221 of 18080
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Originally Posted by MunkyNutz View Post


Great to know, but I think I'm being silly thinking I can feed the FLAC through a budget Muse 2704 DAC into the M-Stage and release the HFM magic ! Would I also need a $150 + DAC ?

 

Yeah many agree that most dacs sound very similar, unless you go over the $1000 mark, or go for really cheap dacs. Personally I just went with the odac which everyone says is a bargain, and I'll be sticking with it for a long time.


Edited by beaver316 - 4/29/13 at 10:19am
post #10222 of 18080

I want to add that some DACs are intentionally 'colored'. The one I own for example. So they don't necessarily need to sound the same.

 

Generally the difference with DACs aren't big.. But they can just give the last bit to a setup you really like, and make it sound 'just right'

post #10223 of 18080

After listening to the HE-400's last night, looks I might have to send them back. I just can't get over the treble spike and it is causing extreme fatigue even at normal volumes. I really do enjoy these headphones, bu the weight and high treble is difficult for my ears. I did EQ, but I shouldn't have to EQ as much as I am with 400 dollar headphones. Regardless, I appreciate them and boy am I going to miss their beautiful bass.

post #10224 of 18080

Besides the fact that you feel like you shouldn't have to EQ so much with these headphones, is there any reason why you don't want to use EQ with them?

post #10225 of 18080

I did EQ and they are still fatiguing for me. Not sure what it is, maybe its the combined weight and certain spikes i cant get out? There is still quite a bit of sibilance, that I just cant get out with EQ. Its hard to explain, the more agressive I EQ, the more I change of the sound as well. They are great headphones and if it was a perfect world, i would do what i wanted and keep these and also buy the hd 650's. I listened to the 650's at the store today and they were very relaxed and light, seems that is what I need.

post #10226 of 18080

They are a good alternative.

post #10227 of 18080

Over the last year, I have done extended sampling of over 20 headphones. The HE400's are really really good. I am personally not too crazy about the look. Kind of old school industrial. But they are very comfortable and sound great when amplified.

 

I loved them so much, I bought a pair of HE-500's which I love even more. Both are easy to drive with about any amp I have tried.

post #10228 of 18080
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Originally Posted by BobDob25 View Post

After listening to the HE-400's last night, looks I might have to send them back. I just can't get over the treble spike and it is causing extreme fatigue even at normal volumes. I really do enjoy these headphones, bu the weight and high treble is difficult for my ears. I did EQ, but I shouldn't have to EQ as much as I am with 400 dollar headphones. Regardless, I appreciate them and boy am I going to miss their beautiful bass.

Well you could try different pads, or the jergpad mod. It helps a lot with the treble and upper mids. But you are absolutely right, it's complete nonsense that you have to use an eq with a 400 dollar headphone. Then again I've heard 2000+ usd ultrasone headphones that could not sound good with any degree of mods or equalizers. So far any headphone in the price range of the HE-400 needs some sort of modification, whether it is an expensive amp (hd650), different pads or equalizing. I do hope headphones will start progressing into the more neutral sound. But as long as beats keep making crazy amounts of money, I don't think this will happen any time soon. I still think the HE-400 has one of the best performance/price ratios of any headphone, especially with pad modifications. 

post #10229 of 18080
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Originally Posted by MunkyNutz View Post

Does anyone know which of these 2 amps would be best for the HFM-400's ?

 

Matrix M-Stage with  Burr Brown OPA627BP with Class A Biasing Mod upgrade

or

Audinst HUD-mx2 Hi-Fi USB Audio DAC

 

Similar price range.

I can vouch for the audinst, although its dac section is probably better than its amp section. But this combo works excellent with the HE-400.

post #10230 of 18080

man I can't wait to pipe 'Tomorrow's Harvest' out of these :D

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