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post #10141 of 17049
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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post

Hey guys, I decided to leave the preconception aside and do some EQ. Please rate my EQ curve.

 

 

It's a little ugly(that's what I could do with my skills) but I've been liking the results so far. Tamed that wild treble while maintaning some clarity. Any suggestions for improvement are welcome.

 

edit. After some more listening, I noticed some distortion on certain tracks. It seems it's not a good idea raising the 2-6khz region.

 

 

Raising it is fine as long as you're lowering the pre-amp to compensate.

 

Why not try to make the treble reduction less steep?  Make it slowly drop down to the -10db at around 15khz instead of 9khz.

post #10142 of 17049
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

 

 

Raising it is fine as long as you're lowering the pre-amp to compensate.

 

Why not try to make the treble reduction less steep?  Make it slowly drop down to the -10db at around 15khz instead of 9khz.


Thanks for the tip. It worked. No more distortion.

 

I don't want to make it drop slower till 15khz because arround 7.5khz and 9khz there are very bad spots which seems to be the main cause of sibilance and harshness(detected both on sinegen). There was also another one arround 11khz, which I now dropped too. Looks like I eliminated all traces of sibilance. Now I need to decide which signature I like better (with or without EQ).

post #10143 of 17049
Honestly, to keep the HE400 sound without the sibilance, I wouldn't have raised the dips in the upper mids, and just reduced the problem areas.

Raising the upper mids would alter the sound signature.

I guess that's why I don't EQ, I hate messing with the inherent signature, unless a headphone is absolute garbage.

The most I'd do overall for a good headphone is raise sub bass more than anything.
post #10144 of 17049
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Honestly, to keep the HE400 sound without the sibilance, I wouldn't have raised the dips in the upper mids, and just reduced the problem areas.

Raising the upper mids would alter the sound signature.

I guess that's why I don't EQ, I hate messing with the inherent signature, unless a headphone is absolute garbage.

The most I'd do overall for a good headphone is raise sub bass more than anything.

 

I've already done that. I didn't like the result because the sound loses much clarity(the hp sounds "muffled"). By raising the upper mids, clarity is kept while harshness and sibilance are reduced.


Edited by Okamoto - 4/26/13 at 9:38pm
post #10145 of 17049

Have you ever heard an LCD2?  Rolling the treble off with the HE-400 without raising its upper mids still makes it sound clearer sounding up top than the LCD2.

post #10146 of 17049
The dips were inherent of the HE400. The only reason why it'd get more muffled than stock is because you lowered the problem areas too much.

Eq is a double edged sword. You might be taken sibilance away, but the sibilance is tied to that clarity you got from the stock sound.

Now you're compensating by raising frequencies that weren't raised before. I mean, yeah, you're balancing the sound out, but now, it's no longer the HE400.
post #10147 of 17049
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Have you ever heard an LCD2?  Rolling the treble off with the HE-400 without raising its upper mids still makes it sound clearer sounding up top than the LCD2.


That's exactly why I have zero interest on a LCD2.

 

HE-500 or SR-007 are probably gonna be my next upgrade.(or side grade).

 

By the way, this EQ is only for some genres and albums. I've been listening more to rock as of late(Dream Theater, for example), and there are some albums that are inherently very sibilant, so that EQ might come in handy.


Edited by Okamoto - 4/26/13 at 9:51pm
post #10148 of 17049
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


Now you're compensating by raising frequencies that weren't raised before. I mean, yeah, you're balancing the sound out, but now, it's no longer the HE400.

 

 

Which isn't really a bad thing for EQ's sake.  

post #10149 of 17049
I dunno about Raven, but the LCD2 is very clear sounding. It just has a smooth , fatigue free treble. If you want treble clarity without sibilance, move up to electrostats. The SR-407 has the best treble I have heard. So ridiculously clean and airy with no hint of harshness. I honestly don't know how it does it.
post #10150 of 17049
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post


Which isn't really a bad thing for EQ's sake.  

That's true. I just mean, it will no longer be the HE400. It will sound like something else. I don't like altering a headphone I like with EQ. Guess its just a thing Ihave against EQ. Like I would love more bass out of headphone A, but I love that headphone. If I EQ in the bass, it will take the magic it had in the other frequencies. So it will no longer be the same headphone.

Unless I hate a headphone, I don't EQ. Unless it's something like a minor treble reduction to take harshness away, I leave them untouched. Even then, I personally don't do it.

Not saying it's wrong. Im just iffy about that.
post #10151 of 17049
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


That's true. I just mean, it will no longer be the HE400. It will sound like something else. I don't like altering a headphone I like with EQ. Guess its just a thing Ihave against EQ. Like I would love more bass out of headphone A, but I love that headphone. If I EQ in the bass, it will take the magic it had in the other frequencies. So it will no longer be the same headphone.

Unless I hate a headphone, I don't EQ. Unless it's something like a minor treble reduction to take harshness away, I leave them untouched. Even then, I personally don't do it.

Not saying it's wrong. Im just iffy about that.


Well, as I said above, this EQ is only for some genres and albums. I've been listening more to rock as of late(Dream Theater, for example), and there are some albums that are inherently very sibilant, so that EQ might come in handy.

 

My favorite albums still sound stellar without any EQ. I'm doing it just as a precautionary measure.

post #10152 of 17049
No worries. I'm mainly speaking for myself. Nothing wrong with balancing the HE400 or any headphone's frequency response.

I just personally love a headphone even with their faults and acclimate myself to them. The treble was a PITA on the HE400 though, so I totally understand altering that aspect.
post #10153 of 17049

Actually, the Burson I just got already smoothed the HE-400 treble quite a bit. It's just that there are some songs that are inherently very sibilant, and even on my HD558(which has rolled-off treble) I'm able to detect it. I guess it's more of a recording fault than the hp's itself.

post #10154 of 17049
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I dunno about Raven, but the LCD2 is very clear sounding. It just has a smooth , fatigue free treble. If you want treble clarity without sibilance, move up to electrostats. The SR-407 has the best treble I have heard. So ridiculously clean and airy with no hint of harshness. I honestly don't know how it does it.

Well thanks very much MLE now I want one!

How is the bass on these things, does it extent well?

post #10155 of 17049
The SR-407? It decays a bit too quickly for my personal taste, and the sub bass sounds rolled off, but it hits pretty nicely. It's no LCD2 or HE400 though. It sounds like a mild mid bass hump, but a very good one.

The strength isn't in it's bass presence, but rather it's clean and agile presentation without losing musicality.

Basically, it gains the benefits of bright headphones without being harsh or sterile.

I absolutely love it's sound, but if I had to own one headphone, it wouldn't be this one.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/27/13 at 4:51am
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