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post #10126 of 17697

Has anyone listened to these and the V-Moda M-100s? I understand that they're radically different headphones, but for a wide range in music tastes, I am wondering if these would be better for more genres. I've been reading this thread for a while, but with 676 pages and counting, it's hard to wade through.

post #10127 of 17697
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Originally Posted by jackgopack4 View Post

Has anyone listened to these and the V-Moda M-100s? I understand that they're radically different headphones, but for a wide range in music tastes, I am wondering if these would be better for more genres. I've been reading this thread for a while, but with 676 pages and counting, it's hard to wade through.

I don't think these headphones would even be in the same league regarding sound quality. the M-100s are 'fun' sounding closed headphones, but I don't think they come close to the technical capabilities of the HE-400.

post #10128 of 17697
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post

I would not say the HE-400 is "better", but for your needs (owning the HD600, bass) I would definitely choose the HE-400 over the Mad Dogs. The Mad Dogs(better but similar sound signature to the HD600) are more balanced and warm then the HE-400 but as a complimentary can the HE-400 should serve your bass-head cravings well.

 

Sweet. And thanks!

post #10129 of 17697
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

I don't think these headphones would even be in the same league regarding sound quality. the M-100s are 'fun' sounding closed headphones, but I don't think they come close to the technical capabilities of the HE-400.

Thanks, I appreciate the advice. However, would they sound as good without an amplifier? I know HiFiMan advertises them as not needing an amplifier, but the consensus here seems to be that you do really want an amplifier.

post #10130 of 17697
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Originally Posted by jackgopack4 View Post

Thanks, I appreciate the advice. However, would they sound as good without an amplifier? I know HiFiMan advertises them as not needing an amplifier, but the consensus here seems to be that you do really want an amplifier.

 

I would imagine they still sound much better without an amp. In my experience, the HE-400 unamped don't sound much worse than one amped. Sure you will get benefits, better controlled bass, better imaging, cleaner sound, etc... but unamped they still sound fantastic imo. With that said, I'd still get an amp for sure, why spend $400 on a pair of headphones if you don't plan on unlocking it's full potential?

post #10131 of 17697
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

I would imagine they still sound much better without an amp. In my experience, the HE-400 unamped don't sound much worse than one amped. Sure you will get benefits, better controlled bass, better imaging, cleaner sound, etc... but unamped they still sound fantastic imo. With that said, I'd still get an amp for sure, why spend $400 on a pair of headphones if you don't plan on unlocking it's full potential?

 

Understandable. I'll have to see what I can get selling my M-100s to upgrade to these bad boys and a decent amp. Thanks for the advice, everyone!

post #10132 of 17697

^The sound will always be better with an amplifier unless the headphone is bad. To various degrees, though. The HE-400 needs some amping

post #10133 of 17697

Thinking about ordering these. I have the HD650 and like the bass, just want a tad more.  Also, how much better are the HE-500?

 

Also, I got the Woo Audio WA6 and MF VDAC II to power them with.

 

Thanks

post #10134 of 17697

HE-400 has a good bit more, especially in extension.

post #10135 of 17697
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Originally Posted by teknikk7 View Post

Thinking about ordering these. I have the HD650 and like the bass, just want a tad more.  Also, how much better are the HE-500?

 

Also, I got the Woo Audio WA6 and MF VDAC II to power them with.

 

Thanks

Depends on what you listen to if the HE-500 would be worth it. And of course what kind of sound you want. You can't objectively say how much better the HE-500 is.

post #10136 of 17697
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

Depends on what you listen to if the HE-500 would be worth it. And of course what kind of sound you want. You can't objectively say how much better the HE-500 is.

Hip-Hop, RAP, Metal, Classic Rock, Classical

 

In that order...

post #10137 of 17697

I hate to stir the pot, but wanted to add one more data point for people.

 

As a matter of personal opinion the HE-500 does have burn in. And 150 hours is just about right. I always said 120 minimum and after 200 no change ("stable")

 

This coming from someone who has his 4th pair of HE-500 and burning them in for the 4th time. I'm a big believer of the scientific method and a proud skeptic. But not everything shows up in Frequency Response Cuves/CSD/Impulse Response/Square Waves.

 

I think we need more sophisticated measuring tools and then we'll be able to measure small differences. Like being able to measure the diaphram with laser precision while real music is playing, instead of sending impulses to make measurements.

 

Now... saying all that can it just be a placebo psuedo effect and my brain is being fooled for the 4th time? Of course. Humans are faulty in general so why not.

 

I hope in the future we'll develope more sophisticated measuring tools to really flesh this issue out.

post #10138 of 17697
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Originally Posted by teknikk7 View Post

Hip-Hop, RAP, Metal, Classic Rock, Classical

 

In that order...

Hard to say... On one hand the HE-400 might make some badly recorded music a bit sibilant/metallic sounding. HE-500 would surely do better with classic rock and classical IMO. The timbre is more realistic and natural.

post #10139 of 17697
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Originally Posted by jackgopack4 View Post

Thanks, I appreciate the advice. However, would they sound as good without an amplifier? I know HiFiMan advertises them as not needing an amplifier, but the consensus here seems to be that you do really want an amplifier.

Well I've tried the He-400 on multiple sources and it sounds great on all of them, even on the daps. Sure it will sound better on better amps but you definitely don't need anything super fancy and expensive.

post #10140 of 17697
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Originally Posted by jackgopack4 View Post

Thanks, I appreciate the advice. However, would they sound as good without an amplifier? I know HiFiMan advertises them as not needing an amplifier, but the consensus here seems to be that you do really want an amplifier.

Not only an amplifier, but these seem to "scale" as they say. Meaning the more/better amp you give them, the better they sound.
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