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post #10021 of 18107
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

Definitely need to try a different source. Using the e17 on +6 with the shure srh840, 35 is good for me, maybe a little louder than needed. That's why I'm saying its weird, +12 gain on the he400, I can listen at 50 easily, and its not ridiculously loud. My hearing is fine, I know that for sure, I do like music a little louder I will admit that. I'll try again after work and see if I still feel the same.

 

Are you using the E17 through USB to a computer? When I used it with my iPod it was a lot quieter than through USB at the same volume setting.

post #10022 of 18107

Here is a way to know whether your volume is good: How much do your HE-400 leak, when having them in front of you?

post #10023 of 18107
Yes through USB.
post #10024 of 18107
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post #10025 of 18107

Well in that case perhaps you have the volume on your computer lowered somewhere, maybe your system volume or your music program. Also make sure you disable any replay gain or album gain in the program. 

 

Edit: forgot your other headphone is fine... Hmm not sure then. 


Edited by beaver316 - 4/24/13 at 9:39am
post #10026 of 18107

Do you have Sansa Clip+ ? My rockboxed one drives HE-400 to insane volume.

post #10027 of 18107
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

Definitely need to try a different source. Using the e17 on +6 with the shure srh840, 35 is good for me, maybe a little louder than needed. That's why I'm saying its weird, +12 gain on the he400, I can listen at 50 easily, and its not ridiculously loud. My hearing is fine, I know that for sure, I do like music a little louder I will admit that. I'll try again after work and see if I still feel the same.
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

Yes through USB.

You sure the software volume is not massively skewed? Perhaps you have your player software's preamp/volume turned all the way down?

 

Because +12dB gain & 50/60 = mini blue planar nearfield speakers.

post #10028 of 18107
When I get back to my hotel today I'm going to run through the laptop like a madman trying to figure this out, luckily I have my shures with me to so I have a second hp to help figure this out.
post #10029 of 18107
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

just want to apologize for being so negative, i think i just expected to much. Ive wanted these things for a year, and read so much, i guess i just thought id be blown away, since the best HP ive heard was a sennheiser hd598, and as of now, i like those better. 

 

Hey bud, I'm pretty much there with you. I've gotten my "brain burned" and got the headphones modded to where I find them "acceptable." But then the last couple days I brought back the HD598 and while I can't anymore say I out and out prefer them, I am adamant that they are more consistent with my range of music and rips. One thing that drives me nuts with the HE400 is that just about the time I start to fall in love with them, I run across a track where the mid range just seems to disappear. I just took possession of a pair of AD900x and at first blush, I think they are going to supplant both. However I'm not as thrilled with their aesthetic as I thought I'd be so there's always something. ;)

post #10030 of 18107
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

What kinds of music do you judge headphones by? HE400 is objectively more coloured than HD598s, so if you innately prefer a more neutral sound (especially in the midrange~treble balance) it would make a lot of sense that you prefer the Senns. I would say the planars have an upper hand in dynamics and detail compared to bread-and-butter dynamics like the Senn HD5/6XXs, but just have different rather than "better" soundstage presentation. 

 

Overall there are a ton of subjective preferential factors involved here that influence how you feel about the HE400's sound. It is a very capable 'phone, but it carries quirks with it.

 

Soundstage observations of the HE400 have always left me puzzled. One thing I noticed right off in dragging my own HD598 out again last night was that I found them decidedly more spacious. Of course, I think my AD700 tops them both in that regard.

post #10031 of 18107
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

Well, like I said, I need to try these on a different source all together, as well as get used to their signature. Also, I need to change to velours. I would like to spend a few days with the pleathers though, just so I know what differences I hear. I also have been awake for 20 hours, and worked/drove a lot today, my ears may just be tired. As far as music goes by for judgment, I always go to Alice in chains MTV unplugged album

 

I bet I didn't have 5 hours on the pleathers before I switched. Then I went back to pleathers with Jerg's mods but still went quickly back to velours to which I've now done some of Jerg's modding.

post #10032 of 18107

I don't like soundstage discussion in general.

 

AD700's in particular doesn't really impress me as much as it's hyped up to be.  I mean yeah I remember when I first got the HE-400, it was noticeably smaller than the AD700.  But when putitng on the AD700 after listening to the HE-400 I don't go 'wow, this is so big and awesome!'

 

The only time I find the AD700's soundstage ridiculously huge is with dolby headphone, and at that point it's leagues ahead of everything else with dh in terms of size.

post #10033 of 18107
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Originally Posted by MrMateoHead View Post

Most USB/DACs and the Fiio in particular are not really powerful enough, in my opinion, to exploit the HE-400s potential. They are all either battery limited or USB limited, and in most cases neither have enough sack to deliver the 1/4 to 1/2 watt or so needed to ensure excess headroom in 90% of possible listening situations. Picking up the O2 was a very good idea for those phones', and they do in fact scale on better equipment. They still sounded great on my laptop, but higher quality recordings, gaming, movies were a bit volume limited, so I went ahead and upgraded. Get a Magni or an O2 and you will have more power than you need.

 

See? I still suspect I'm under powering mine the vast majority of the time by using my Pico Dac/amp. I'll be rearranging my listening stations so that my "secondary station" which turns out to be where I'm doing most my listening has more power. I'll reserve final judgement until that happens and also I get to try the Aune T1 tube dac that I have coming as well.

post #10034 of 18107
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Originally Posted by BenF View Post

I second that! I think it could be a nice revenue stream for someone with hands not growing out of the a33.

30$ for 2 pairs of pads, 5$ for other parts - could easily sell for 70-80$

 

Yeah, but what about Jerg's licensing fee? ;)

post #10035 of 18107
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 
The only time I find the AD700's soundstage ridiculously huge is with dolby headphone, and at that point it's leagues ahead of everything else with dh in terms of size.

 

What is dolby headphone? I've heard that mentioned before but I don't know what it is.

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