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post #10006 of 17697

Pretty late to the party.

 

Before Head-fi (August 2010):

 

Grado 325i - $295 + cable ($40) + Mini adaptor cable ($15) = $350

Nuforce udac 2 - $99

 

Post Head-fi:

 

Denon D600 (for movies only) - $395

Ibasso D7 - $179

 

Hifiman HE-400 - $399

Yulong Sabre D18 (placed order) - $699

Yulong Sabre A18 -$899

 

Total: $3,020 in 3 years. eek.gif

 

I have always picked up anything i wanted whenever i travelled. So no delivery charges!!

I love all of this and don't plan to to sell any of them at all. I have loaned out the Grados, the Denon and the D7 to family.

 

So that makes $449 pre Head-fi, and $2571 post Head-fi!! And i live in India!

Aaargh!! See what you have done to my bank account HEAD-FI!! You turned an interest into an obsession

 

I was planning to get an iBasson DX100 on my next trip. I am going to hold of now!!

Maybe in another 6 months. After that, a sabbatical for the next 3 years at least.

post #10007 of 17697
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Originally Posted by nicolo View Post

Pretty late to the party.

 

Before Head-fi (August 2010):

 

Grado 325i - $295 + cable ($40) + Mini adaptor cable ($15) = $350

Nuforce udac 2 - $99

 

Post Head-fi:

 

Denon D600 (for movies only) - $395

Ibasso D7 - $179

 

Hifiman HE-400 - $399

Yulong Sabre D18 (placed order) - $699

Yulong Sabre A18 -$899

 

Total: $3,020 in 3 years. eek.gif

 

I have always picked up anything i wanted whenever i travelled. So no delivery charges!!

I love all of this and don't plan to to sell any of them at all. I have loaned out the Grados, the Denon and the D7 to family.

 

So that makes $449 pre Head-fi, and $2571 post Head-fi!! And i live in India!

Aaargh!! See what you have done to my bank account HEAD-FI!! You turned an interest into an obsession

 

I was planning to get an iBasson DX100 on my next trip. I am going to hold of now!!

Maybe in another 6 months. After that, a sabbatical for the next 3 years at least.

Looks like the bulk of your spendings are on the DAC and amp. You sure those aren't overkill? Surely you could spend $2000 in ways that provide better end results.

post #10008 of 17697
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Looks like the bulk of your spendings are on the DAC and amp. You sure those aren't overkill? Surely you could spend $2000 in ways that provide better end results.

 

True that.

 

Then again, i am not going to invest further in a new DAC or amp for the next 4-5 years at the very least. In fact, i will be buying an apartment in a couple of years. I have already planned for a home theater set-up plus acoustic treatment for it. So i guess these will be the last headphones/amp/DAC i will be purchasing. I may even upgrade the headphones, but nothing else down the line.

post #10009 of 17697

Hey all! I'm considering purchasing HE-400s solely for movie watching. Would you recommend using the Schiit Magni or Asgard amp? Just wondering if the Asgard would be worth the extra $$$ for my usage...

post #10010 of 17697

Imo the Magni should be more than good enough for movie watching. 

post #10011 of 17697

You might not like the HE-400 for watching movies

post #10012 of 17697
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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post

For the connect from the laptop to the Modi (I guess you will go laptop -->DAC --> Amp), you will need the USB PYST.

ok thanks I just ordered one

post #10013 of 17697
How loud do you listen? With 12 gain you shouldn't listen at more than 30 or so.

Regarding pleather and velours, I think you will notice no more than what might be a pleasant difference sound wise. Not night/day. Same goes with better amping.
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30? I can barely hear sound at 30, that's like someone whispering into my ears
post #10014 of 17697
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

How loud do you listen? With 12 gain you shouldn't listen at more than 30 or so.

Regarding pleather and velours, I think you will notice no more than what might be a pleasant difference sound wise. Not night/day. Same goes with better amping.
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30? I can barely hear sound at 30, that's like someone whispering into my ears

Yeah either something's messed up in your audio chain, or your hearing is severely degraded. +12gain at 30/60 on E17 driving HE400 is quite a bit too loud for me.

 

You sure the gain is at +12, and not +6 or +0?

post #10015 of 17697
Thread Starter 

^^ Either something is wrong with your equipment or hearing. I suspect that it is the equipment. The he400 although an ortho is pretty easy to drive. At +12 this hp would be deafening at that volume. You may have a bad amp. Try another amp from a friend or try another hp in the e17. 

 

On a side note, I noticed that this thread now has 10k post in just over a year!!! Wow...eek.gif

 

Glad that this thread has brought the he400 to so many. biggrin.gif

post #10016 of 17697
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

Definitely legit, the e17 was brand new from amazon, the he400 is from headamp. I ran only flac through them, and tracks I know very very well.


The HE-400 are, without question, 'underwhelming'. Admittedly I thought, at first, I would regret my decision to get them. After about 3 days to a week, I was baffled at the 'transformation' that had occurred in my impression.

 

You need "brain  burn-in". When I first started listening to them, the instrument separation is what stood out. Live performances had a realism that destroyed my sennheisers. But it was the texture of bass, and the way that crowd noise / clapping sounded that stunned me (on a Jazz and then a Rock recording). On the sennsheisers, it was noise. On the HE-400, it was just real. Those 2 qualities alone were not the 'transcendent' experience I hoped for - at first.

 

The final negative that occurred was the frequent 'static' I started to pick up. I freaked out until I realized that, generally speaking, static was a result of compressed / hot recordings, and the HE-400s were simply hi-res enough to render the music - and the distortion. The senns had, for years, not revealed that issue to me. A good or bad thing, depending on your perspective.

 

After getting more familiar with the HE-400, they just got better and better. I don't notice the outright transparency anymore, as lately it is their prodigous bass performance that has been capturing my attention. But they really are amazing, and eventually I am going to get a better headband pad to boost comfort some more. And FYI, they do sound better with the Velour pads.

 

Most USB/DACs and the Fiio in particular are not really powerful enough, in my opinion, to exploit the HE-400s potential. They are all either battery limited or USB limited, and in most cases neither have enough sack to deliver the 1/4 to 1/2 watt or so needed to ensure excess headroom in 90% of possible listening situations. Picking up the O2 was a very good idea for those phones', and they do in fact scale on better equipment. They still sounded great on my laptop, but higher quality recordings, gaming, movies were a bit volume limited, so I went ahead and upgraded. Get a Magni or an O2 and you will have more power than you need.

post #10017 of 17697
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Originally Posted by jazzman161 View Post

Hey all! I'm considering purchasing HE-400s solely for movie watching. Would you recommend using the Schiit Magni or Asgard amp? Just wondering if the Asgard would be worth the extra $$$ for my usage...


Magni if you want to spend less - its 1 watt and 5X gain should be more than enough. O2 if you want to do music, too (gain is adjustable). 1X/2.5X for music listening (1X IF you have a strong source), and 6.5X gain for movie watching. It is not clear that the Asgard is worth the extra bucks to me.

post #10018 of 17697
Definitely need to try a different source. Using the e17 on +6 with the shure srh840, 35 is good for me, maybe a little louder than needed. That's why I'm saying its weird, +12 gain on the he400, I can listen at 50 easily, and its not ridiculously loud. My hearing is fine, I know that for sure, I do like music a little louder I will admit that. I'll try again after work and see if I still feel the same.
post #10019 of 17697
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Originally Posted by Limniscate View Post

Someone needs to start selling the Jergpad; I'm too lazy to do it myself!

I second that! I think it could be a nice revenue stream for someone with hands not growing out of the a33.

30$ for 2 pairs of pads, 5$ for other parts - could easily sell for 70-80$

post #10020 of 17697
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

30? I can barely hear sound at 30, that's like someone whispering into my ears

 

I listen through FIIO E17 with gain 0 at about 35, very nice volume.

Either your HE-400 are defective, or there is something else wrong in your setup.

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