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post #106 of 959

Wow, the mids aren't recessed and the highs are less fatiguing than other Beyers?? Sounds perfect. Well there goes another $200. :) How is the comfort with the (pleather?) ear pads? I'm curious if using Beyer velours will effect the sound...

post #107 of 959
Wizard, your last paragraph is spot-on and I agree, preferences play a big role here and I think it's something I've always had in the back of my head. It would be nice if people were more objective but that's why I do try to get a feel for different reviewers, what their experiences are, what cans they have tried and if I've tried those same cans, do our impressions match up, etc.

As far as the mids on the DT1350 being thin, that's his perception. After comparing with some other cans I realized they were forward and had some body to them vs something like the K181 which is slightly thinner IMO. But again, YMMV and with the DTs it can be up in the air when you consider trying to get the right seal on them vs different ear sizes.
post #108 of 959

''The person which actually enjoys V-shape sound doesn't think it sounds THAT much V-shaped as another person that hates V-shape sound......''

 

 

The only way to get around this then is for that person, say reviewing the beyer custom pros, to simultaneously review (or give plenty of headtime at least) other 'competitor' headphones that hopefully I have experience with. Lets say its this beyer and the denon d2k. Assuming a decent 300hr burn in or break in for all headphones, If the beyers midrange is more recessed than the d2k according to the reviewer then for me that reads as a definite recessed beyer midrange as I know the d2k well. I expect the reviewer to have both headphones at hand and constantly switch listening between the two for comparison sake, otherwise it's called relying on memory and I don't buy that at all. 

 

It's not a complete solution to the 'we hear differently- tough luck' problem, of course. I mean you have amplification/dac differences, physical ergonomic fit issues, biases and maybe even headphone variations due to bad manufacture QC, all of which need to be accounted for in some way. But comparing headphones properly, especially to ones that I've had, is what initially captures my interest. 

post #109 of 959
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It sounds more like sub-bass, the rumble is definitely there but only when required. I feel the DT1350 has more focused bass, with more impact. The Ultrasone HFI-780 also has impact similar to the DT1350.

 

I was originally playing through my Zune. I just tried it with the Xonar STX -> Mids become more clear, forward, bass is tighter, however I find the treble at times piercing with the STX. It may be because these headphones are fresh out the box; they may need time to settle....if you believe in that sort of thing.

is the impact still noticeable on high bass levels? I'm really looking for a headphone that I can use time to time for a lot of bass without the use of my Z02 and I was also looking for a bass light headphone with a good soundstage for gaming, and this really seems to be able to do both, but I really am looking for some xb500 like bass without an amp. 

post #110 of 959

Here are some pictures I took yesterday. Hope you all like it:

 

 

post #111 of 959

what custom plates did you get?
 

post #112 of 959

I really like the design of these headphones, they just shout durability all over them while still having a quite cool look to them. However my concern is in the bass, seems to be too heavy subbass skewed for my taste (<100Hz range emphasized) and lack some punch, I need balanced subbass & midbass presence especially for my favorite genre Hardstyle.

 

Basslines like these will not sound nice if there's too much subbass in comparision to midbass:

 


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 9/9/12 at 2:56am
post #113 of 959

from them photos it looks quite a bit like ultrasone sig pros.

post #114 of 959
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I really like the design of these headphones, they just shout durability all over them while still having a quite cool look to them. However my concern is in the bass, seems to be too heavy subbass skewed for my taste (<100Hz range emphasized) and lack some punch, I need balanced subbass & midbass presence especially for my favorite genre Hardstyle.

 

I think you should seriously try the Ultrasone HFI-780. They have the great impact you are looking for, along with sparkly, detailed treble and forward detailed Mids. I'm tempted to re-purchase it to compare with the Custom Pro's...

 

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what custom plates did you get?
 

 

The plates in the pictures are the default plates which come as part of the package. No extra plates.

post #115 of 959
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I think you should seriously try the Ultrasone HFI-780. They have the great impact you are looking for, along with sparkly, detailed treble and forward detailed Mids. I'm tempted to re-purchase it to compare with the Custom Pro's...

 

HFI-780 I'd expect to be too sparkly (I don't like emphasized highs) and have too little bass quantity. Several FR graph measurements have pinpointed this to me, knowing roughly my ideal FR curve: http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/UltrasoneHFI780.pdf

 

V-Moda M100 should be more along my lines.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 9/9/12 at 3:11am
post #116 of 959
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HFI-780 I'd expect to be too sparkly (I don't like emphasized highs) and have too little bass quantity. Several FR graph measurements have pinpointed this to me, knowing roughly my ideal FR curve: http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/UltrasoneHFI780.pdf

Yes, I expect you would find it too sparkly but there is plenty of bass and impact, just not so much sub bass so the quantity appears less.

post #117 of 959
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Yes, I expect you would find it too sparkly but there is plenty of bass and impact, just not so much sub bass so the quantity appears less.

 

Yea I need both subbass & midbass presence and about equal much presence of both, not only midbass impact. M-Audio Q40 which I have provides very balanced subbass & midbass quantity and I'm still very satisfied with this headphone but still looking out for especially V-Moda M100 as I have a feeling it might have the sound I'm looking for.

 

Here's a subbass vs midbass analyzement of Q40 of how I measure roughly, of course I analyze with my ears too but this way of objectively measuring it on a FR graph has worked perfectly for me and my ears agrees with every headphone I've tested with. I basicly check 20Hz - 200Hz range (not sure where to draw the upper-end limit exactly, should be like 200-250Hz or so but unsure whether closer to 200 or 250Hz is more accurate in this case) and draw the barrier at 80Hz between subbass and midbass:

 

 

About equal of both, ever so tiny bit more subbass presence probably, I'd rate it aprox 53/47% subbass/midbass ratio.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 9/9/12 at 3:41am
post #118 of 959


is the impact still noticeable on high bass levels? I'm really looking for a headphone that I can use time to time for a lot of bass without the use of my Z02 and I was also looking for a bass light headphone with a good soundstage for gaming, and this really seems to be able to do both, but I really am looking for some xb500 like bass without an amp. 

post #119 of 959

Just to answer some questions:

 

The Custom Pros are are fairly light, I feel lighter than the Pro900s.

 

I personally would not wear the Custom Pro's outside as they are still too big for me, for portable use. This will obviously vary depending on the shape and size of ones head.

 

Custom Pro's are very comfortable with pleather and have a perfect clamping force to them. Not too tight like the Ultrasone HFI-780, and not too loose like the AKG K550. I think it's perfect.

 

They seal a lot better compared with the Pro900s. The DT1350 is still the best for isolation I have ever used. It's air tight lol. Still, the Custom Pro's are absolutely fine for outside use.

 

Now...more on the Bass.....

 

The Custom Pro's on setting 4 are earth shattering. They have awesome impact and rumble....better than the over hyped Pro900s. This is what I am hearing. The mids on setting 4 are similar to the Pro900s, maybe slight more forward, but the Pro900s have much better treble. But on setting 4, the impact is mad, the cups shake and rumble beyersmile.png and the bass goes deep. Obviously, the sound stage is rather narrow on setting 4, Pro900 is wider. This was with the song "What you know" by T.I. I will try setting 4 for gaming tonight hopefully.

 

I think for amping, something with a bit of sparkle would complement the Custom Pros nicely, but it may be difficult to get a match that does not create a piercing high.

 

@WakiDabeast - I think the Custom Pro's are exactly what you are looking for. wink.gif

 

Setting 4 is rather addictive for the bass....pretty hard hitting. basshead.gif

 

Now look here: http://www.beyerdynamic.de/custom/index.php?l=1

 

Click on "Modelle" at the top, and you will find there are a further 2 models yet to be introduced. Now, if they could only release one with a Tesla driver, it would be simply staggering, the performance. Could you imagine? Tesla Mids and Treble with awesome Bass?! Make it happen please Beyer.


Edited by Bloodflowerz - 9/9/12 at 4:45am
post #120 of 959

I wish I could see some measurements but if you compare the mids of Custom Pro to Ultrasone PRO900 I have my doubts as PRO900 are probably the most recessed midrange headphone for its price class, nice to hear Beyer produced a non-highs emphasized bassy headphone for a change.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 9/9/12 at 4:39am
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