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post #1156 of 1512
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I am certain all the LTD ones are good from A.L. Mine were perfect from them.. They do need a burn in though as they have brand new drivers in them. I would go for at least a good 80 hours of burn they should clean up nicely.

post #1157 of 1512

Still burning mine in.L3000.gif

post #1158 of 1512

Okay so after listening to these all day, I'm absolutely in love with them. I almost prefer them to my 5.1 home theatre system! They just have this perfect balance about them that I absolutely love. Thanks again for the suggestion guys, I couldn't be happier!

post #1159 of 1512
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Originally Posted by Dsnuts View Post

I am certain all the LTD ones are good from A.L. Mine were perfect from them.. They do need a burn in though as they have brand new drivers in them. I would go for at least a good 80 hours of burn they should clean up nicely.

 

You are right Dsnuts!   ....WOW!   ...what a differences just 24 hrs of burning makes!

My LTD have have gone from unusable c**p to impressive candy in a day. Does brand new, never had any juice run thru them before, drivers sound like what I heard from these, out of box?

 

The just okay bass have developed solid sub-bass that feels like it has a sub-woofer, the mids have appear with a nice warm to the vocals and the treble are developing nicely, I can hear cymbals now instead of some scratching sounds previously.

I am surprised that it could change so much with just such a short burning time.

 

One thing that strikes me while comparing the 77LTD with the SHE3580 last night was how much the Bass on the AT could overshadow the mids and highs that it appears as if the SHE3580 has got better mids and highs. It was only when I compared them with tracks that has little sub-bass but lots of vocals that it became apparent the 77LTD have the superior mids and highs. I guess they don't call the CKS77 a basshead iem for nothing. 

 

Can't wait to hear what they're like with more burn !

post #1160 of 1512

I'm still baffled why my pair provides such a severe ringing/resonance in the upper-mids. Every1 seems to love them here so I assume I must have gotten a bad pair. :(

post #1161 of 1512
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Ok RPG I want you to try this. First try this as it does make a difference. 350x467px-LL-d7118c89_040512124913.jpg The top R earphone is on the very top position for the tip. I don't know where you have your tip at. On the bottom the mids are a bit more forward so I don't know if you have them on that position but you need to try the very top position and try it that way. If you don't find too much difference try the unfilter mod. I know you are ok with modding your cans so this may help out for you. 

 

Basically that black paper filter in your earphone nozzle actually magnifys your sound that is put out by the driver. FlySweep confirmed when taking out this filter it flattens and balances the sound more so than with the filter in. So the way I see it I don't know if it is your sources or if your just more sensitive to that part of the frequency more than others but I am thinking taking out that filer will lessen that effect for you.. You should try that.  If you do both the tip extend and this mod I am sure this will help out. I hear this does not affect the bass end much but more the mids and highs.. If you can carefully take out the tip to try this Jant71 confirmed if you are careful this can be reverse able..Try it out and see what happens.

post #1162 of 1512

Yea I've tried both positions and prefer having it like on the pic. Exactly where is this filter... do I have to open it up? How do I do that. It's not the source, it happens both with my phone and computer.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 6/8/12 at 10:34am
post #1163 of 1512
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Take your tip off your earphone. Take a look down the nozzle. You will see a black round filter that is on the tip of the nozzle. That is what you need to take out. Make sure you point your nozzle downward when your taking out the filter. You don't want any filter material going into your driver.

 

It is an easy mod as you are taking out a round piece of paper out of the nozzle. And that is it. I know you will see the driver afterward but to be honest it is not a big deal. I did this for my WS55 as they sounded like a mess with the filter in them. I took them out and they sounded much better so this will do the same for you. Try it out.


Edited by Dsnuts - 6/8/12 at 10:56am
post #1164 of 1512
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Take your tip off your earphone. Take a look down the nozzle. You will see a black round filter. That is what you need to take out. Make sure you point your nozzle downward when your taking out the filter. You don't want any filter material going into your driver.

 

Don't know. doesn't look like I'd manage to do it without damaging it, I wouldn't wanna risk that.

post #1165 of 1512
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well from how FlySweep and Pfloyd who did just this. They both swear by it and Jant who took it out also says it does flatten out the sound more so than with the filter in. I remember flySweep telling me it cleans up the sound and balances out even better with the filter out. You might damage the filter yes but if you don't like the sound now. I would try that out.

post #1166 of 1512
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well from how FlySweep and Pfloyd who did just this. They both swear by it and Jant who took it out also says it does flatten out the sound more so than with the filter in. I remember flySweep telling me it cleans up the sound and balances out even better with the filter out. You might damage the filter yes but if you don't like the sound now. I would try that out.

 

Yea well I'm just thinking of selling it, the mids are too harsh due to the upper-mid ringing/peak and they are a bit more muffled and distant sounding than I'd like (at least with tips at the outer position) and the midbass is a bit boomy, not as textured as I'd optimally want. I even enjoy the Koss Sparkplugs (13 EUR) more than these...

 

Due to the upper-mid ringing the volume has to be kept lower than I'd optimally want to get a comfortable listen and overall the vocals etc remain too silent and muffled so it's hard to grasp them.

 

I imagine I enjoy a bit rolled-off highs in IEMs as the KOSS sparkplugs have but most important would be to get a rather evenly balanced midrange without the peakiness, again Sparkplugs doesn't have that issue it's just a bit overly muffled due to quite severely rolled-off highs.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 6/8/12 at 11:13am
post #1167 of 1512
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You know I am thinking your taste in earphones might be a bit different from headphones. These being closer to a musical sounding headphone for example the HTF600 and such. I would go ahead a sell these and I don't know if you are up for another recommend but I can assure you the CKM500 are at another level of sound in refinement over these..If you can recoup your cash. Look into a CKM500. Check out that thread it is getting some rave reviews from most if not all headfiers that have them.. They are technically superior to these CKS77s in just about every way and have some of the best highs and mids while having a good amount of bass to round out the sound.

 

Usually bassy earphones such as these CKS77 lack one thing or another. I do admit these can use more clarity but I enjoy them as they are and the filter mod actually cleans up the sound overall but if your up for more refinement in the sound the CKM500 will actually cost less than these CKS77s if you can recoup most of it and I can assure you the SQ on them for the price is crazy though the roof. It kinda sounds like to me that you are leaning more importance on cleaner more balanced mids.  The CKM500 has some of the best highs and mids of any earphone I own. Even though I wouldn't call them bass earphones. They have solid bass impact and does EDM perfectly well. Good amount of sub bass. So less big bass for better highs and mids would be the trade off. And you know me I won't review anything that can't do bass so these have it. Something to consider. You can read up on that thread here. http://www.head-fi.org/t/607006/the-new-ath-ckm500-the-best-ckm-earphone-yet#post_8329676 Read up on Ericp10s impressions of them. The guy just about owns or have tried every major earphone here on headfi. He is nuts over them. Lol!


Edited by Dsnuts - 6/8/12 at 11:50am
post #1168 of 1512
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I'm still baffled why my pair provides such a severe ringing/resonance in the upper-mids. Every1 seems to love them here so I assume I must have gotten a bad pair. :(


My CKS77 sound like that when I do not get a good seal.  I use the largest stock tips, but even with those tips, if I don't push hard when inserting the earphones in my ears, I don't get a good seal.  With a good seal, the mids do not sound too bright contrary to what happens when there is a spike in the upper mid frequencies, which make mids bright and cheap sounding.


Edited by Alberto01 - 6/8/12 at 9:57pm
post #1169 of 1512

hey dsnuts

ive been reading ur posts and it seems to me that u had done an Amazing job to this community. Good job.

 

im new to AT actually and ive only got a ck303m. this pair of earphones is amazing which really gotten me interested in AT.

ive read ur "ath-ckm50 thread" and saw alot of opinions on AT earphones

 

Since i wanna get a new pair of earphones, im wandering which earphones would u recommend me:

 

> ath-ckm50       ( i saw some post regarding ckm50 not a good pair for rock music; this really dissapoints me as i was considering to buy this pair)
> ath-ckm33
> ath-ckm77
> ath-cks77

> ath-ckm99

 

i listen to  punk rock, ska, metal (i listen to a lot of genre but these 3 are my main ones)

so which pair of earphones would u recommend for this type of genre.

also, could u fill me up with the cable length of each of this earphones?

 

i would really appreciate it if you could help me out here. Thank you.

 

EDIT: i still would like to hear ur opinions on ckm50 for these types of genre :) THX!


Edited by virus12345 - 6/10/12 at 1:03am
post #1170 of 1512

Okay, Y'all, I've got about 200 hours of GOOD (loud) burn-in on mine. Before you start pulling filters and such, just try some different tips and adjust them up and down on the nozzle. Assuming you have a good seal, the use of different tips will change the sound sig, sometimes significantly. Out of the box, they were definitely "boomy" and the mids and highs were recessed/muted/on a different astral plane. The boominess reminded me of my S4s out of the box, but the S4s appeared more balanced due to the strength of the mids/trebels, which were even called shrill by many.

 

I wouldn't make any decisions about liking or disliking these phones without at least 100 hours of burn. Keeping all other factors as stable as possible (ie. tips, source, playlist, amplification, etc.), I had a strong subjective epiphany around 100-112 hours. They started to really balance out! Bass definitely got tighter/flatter/impactful/less rumbly to my ears, and mids/trebles seemed more prominently presented... regardless of where they are in the staging/layering of the sound.

 

If you are wondering if all of the fuss with burning and tip experiment and such is worth the hassle, I think the answer depends on whether you want to have a set of earphones that have the sound sig of an excellent set of full-sized cans.

 

Good phones and sonically worthy to replace my S4s. But like the S4s, you gotta burn them in... Comfort may be an issue with some folks, though, but not for me.
 

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