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No love for magnums?

post #1 of 78
3/31/12 at 11:02pm
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Just wondering if you all considered magnums end game. I certainly think a pair of magnum drivers, when paired with the right cups, is something pretty darn special. I've yet to hear better. Gladly welcome any challenging headphones. PM me for my address ;-)
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post #2 of 78
3/31/12 at 11:50pm
I personally don't consider anything Grado related (as far as headphones) end game related.
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post #3 of 78
4/1/12 at 5:58am
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I personally don't consider anything Grado related (as far as headphones) end game related.


ps1000. thats my end-game goal. the mighty ps 1000.

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post #4 of 78
4/1/12 at 9:13am
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I personally don't consider anything Grado related (as far as headphones) end game related.


Yeah, well.. You also think WASAPI makes a difference. :)

 

But, thanks for you opinion, I feel many people will probably feel the same way. 

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post #5 of 78
4/1/12 at 9:17am
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Yeah, well.. You also think WASAPI makes a difference. smily_headphones1.gif

But, thanks for you opinion, I feel many people will probably feel the same way. 

Can you show me where it doesn't? As far as I'm concerned, pulling the Windows mixer out of the loop has to be good. At least I'm not one of those people who say one program sounds better than another...
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post #6 of 78
4/1/12 at 9:22am
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Can you show me where it doesn't? As far as I'm concerned, pulling the Windows mixer out of the loop has to be good. At least I'm not one of those people who say one program sounds better than another...

 

Windows 7 streams bit-perfect. As does XP :) WASAPI won't harm anything, but it's not gonna make a difference. I used wasapi for a long time, myself.. So, I know where you are coming from. Try disabling it though... see if you can really hear ANY difference, you won't man.

 

Also, different audio players (if that is what you mean by programs) can sound different. I would say anything that sounds different from foobar is probably coloring the sound in one odd way or another. Same way I feel about amps, if one sounds drastically different from the competition, there is probably something wrong :) All good amps should sound real similar. Same for dacs. Headphones are more subjective, I guess. I like a natural sound, that's why I'm using the Magnums in limba, but hopefully I'll get to compare them to some other "end game or TOTL" pairs. Just don't expect to replace them. 

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post #7 of 78
4/1/12 at 9:53am

On topic:  IIRC Currawong likes his Magnums along with his other "summit" level gear.

 

Also, Maxvla, Magnums aren't really Grados except maybe in spirit.  After seeing purrin's CSDs of the Magnums compared to Grados I became pretty interested in hearing a pair myself.

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post #8 of 78
4/1/12 at 8:39pm

Mine are still my favorite HP's.

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post #9 of 78
4/1/12 at 11:09pm
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On topic:  IIRC Currawong likes his Magnums along with his other "summit" level gear.

Also, Maxvla, Magnums aren't really Grados except maybe in spirit.  After seeing purrin's CSDs of the Magnums compared to Grados I became pretty interested in hearing a pair myself.

And comfort. Luckily, there are lots of pad and headband options. I use a Sony slider (adjustable) headband and bowls, myself.

Can you link to purrin's CSD?
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Mine are still my favorite HP's.

What all have you out them up against and what cups do you have? The cups are real important. Aluminum is pretty nice. But wood is all over the place, including nicer than aluminum, if done right ;-). I'm not sure a headphone more natural sounding really exists. Maybe, just maybe, with loooots more money.. but, for this price. I don't believe it will be beat for a long time, if ever.
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post #10 of 78
4/2/12 at 7:36am

Yes WASAPI makes a difference and it's not an audiophile difference, you can actually immediately notice it. If you can't then it's something wrong with your ears or gear.

And where did you read windows 7 streams bit-perfect ?
 

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Originally Posted by chrislangley4253 View Post

 

Windows 7 streams bit-perfect. As does XP :) WASAPI won't harm anything, but it's not gonna make a difference. I used wasapi for a long time, myself.. So, I know where you are coming from. Try disabling it though... see if you can really hear ANY difference, you won't man.

 

Also, different audio players (if that is what you mean by programs) can sound different. I would say anything that sounds different from foobar is probably coloring the sound in one odd way or another. Same way I feel about amps, if one sounds drastically different from the competition, there is probably something wrong :) All good amps should sound real similar. Same for dacs. Headphones are more subjective, I guess. I like a natural sound, that's why I'm using the Magnums in limba, but hopefully I'll get to compare them to some other "end game or TOTL" pairs. Just don't expect to replace them. 



 

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post #11 of 78
4/2/12 at 7:58am
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Yes WASAPI makes a difference and it's not an audiophile difference, you can actually immediately notice it. If you can't then it's something wrong with your ears or gear.

And where did you read windows 7 streams bit-perfect ?


It is bit perfect if the system volume is at 100% and the sound device is set to the same sample rate as the file you're playing.  People with proper test equipment such as He Who Must Not Be Named have tested and confirmed this.

 

Not being bit perfect is only an issue if you have music with different sample rates where whatever is different from the sound device's sample rate setting will be resampled by the mixer.  If the system volume is at 100% and the sample rates match then the bitstream will go through unmolested.

 

If it makes that kind of difference then you've probably got a setting messed up somewhere.  WASAPI lets the application control the sound device and use the proper settings.

 

WASAPI can be useful, doesn't hurt anything, and doesn't cost anything so there's there's nothing wrong with using it "just because" either.

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post #12 of 78
4/2/12 at 8:33am

Does the same apply to XP?

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post #13 of 78
4/2/12 at 9:16am

I don't know.

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post #14 of 78
4/2/12 at 12:30pm
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It is bit perfect if the system volume is at 100% and the sound device is set to the same sample rate as the file you're playing.  People with proper test equipment such as He Who Must Not Be Named have tested and confirmed this.

 

Not being bit perfect is only an issue if you have music with different sample rates where whatever is different from the sound device's sample rate setting will be resampled by the mixer.  If the system volume is at 100% and the sample rates match then the bitstream will go through unmolested.

 

If it makes that kind of difference then you've probably got a setting messed up somewhere.  WASAPI lets the application control the sound device and use the proper settings.

 

WASAPI can be useful, doesn't hurt anything, and doesn't cost anything so there's there's nothing wrong with using it "just because" either.


 

But if there's sounds other than music playing through the mixer it would stop being bit-perfect due to the mixing right?

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post #15 of 78
4/2/12 at 12:51pm
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But if there's sounds other than music playing through the mixer it would stop being bit-perfect due to the mixing right?


Well obviously it can't be bit perfect to the music if its playing two sounds at the same time.  Does that really matter though?  You wouldn't be listening to two separate tracks at the same time.

 

If you just don't like the system sounds interrupting your music then WASAPI in exclusive mode is a good way to automatically disable them when listening to music and automatically enable them when you're done.  With normal direct sound or wave out the extra sounds stop affecting fidelity as soon as they stop playing so it doesn't really hurt anything assuming you actually want to or don't mind hearing them.

 

At least in 7. From what I understand about XP the mixer works like that most of the time but is more prone to doing weird things like using SRC for no good reason and using its terrible algorithm which is just designed to be super fast only good enough to play the system sounds on top of whatever sample rate you're using.  At least that's what I've heard.  I never had a problem with it though and I only use XP with my work computer right now.

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