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post #31 of 93
9/22/12 at 5:24am
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If you're using the Sig Pros with the WA6SE the tubes make a huge difference in the amount of bass you hear - try to get your hands on some 6FD7s they are the best tubes for bass - with those tubes I never thought the Sig Pros bass was lax, on the other hand with the 6DR7s or 6EW7s they can sound very empty.. This is of course with my Sophia Princess (which also is prob the best rectifier for bass lovers). Like Noxa i didnt find them very comfortable one of the main reasons for the sell also for me the soundstage was lacking as well - otherwise one of the better headphones out there for the price.
Ok thanks. I thought I was crazy for a minute because I kept hearing how bass heavy they are.

I've been using the sop princess and I just ordered a few more pairs of tubes. Now is the time to try tube rolling to see where that gets me. Other than the less than stellar bass the sigs are fantastic but i bought them mainly for travel and i think a noisy environment would further diminish the bass. I'm gonna stick it out with them for a while and see how it goes. Unless you wanna trade for your TH900s? biggrin.gif
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post #32 of 93
9/22/12 at 5:57am

I've always been under the impression (from reading them) that the Sig Pro has prominent bass. But I thing that most people drive them with a SS amp.

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post #33 of 93
9/22/12 at 6:09am
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I've always been under the impression (from reading them) that the Sig Pro has prominent bass. But I thing that most people drive them with a SS amp.
Maybe my next investment will be a solid state. Any suggestions?
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post #34 of 93
9/22/12 at 7:32am
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I've always been under the impression (from reading them) that the Sig Pro has prominent bass. But I thing that most people drive them with a SS amp.
Maybe my next investment will be a solid state. Any suggestions?

 

They're pretty efficient, so power isn't a concern. I've always liked the Ultrasones I've had (Pro 900, Edition 8) best with portable amps or even right out of a DAP/laptop. I didn't feel that they matched up that well with my Woo.

 

If I was to get a desktop SS amp mainly for the Sig Pro, I would probably look into the Meier Corda Classic. His amps seem to be very well-regarded so it seems like you're paying for quality instead of wattage. And the crossfeed feature could be useful with closed headphones. Another straight SS amp to look into might be the Burson Soloist, it has the variable output stage so it would work for a wider variety of headphones.

 

Also many of the better desktop DACs have fine SS headamps in them, like the Audiolab M-DAC for example, or a Zodiac.

 

I noticed in your signature that you have an HP-P1, how does the Sig Pro sound out of that? I would think that it would be a decent match for them.

 

My favorite amp for the Edition 8 was straight out of my HP tx2 laptop, which came with an Altec Lansing sound card.


Edited by grokit - 9/22/12 at 7:46am
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post #35 of 93
9/22/12 at 7:46am
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They're pretty efficient, so power isn't a concern. I've always liked the Ultrasones I've had (Pro 900, Edition 8) best with portable amps or even right out of a DAP/laptop. I didn't feel that they matched up that well with my Woo.

If I was to look at a desktop SS amp for the Sig Pro, I would probably look into the Meier Corda Classic. His amps seem to be very well-regarded so it seems like you're paying for quality instead of wattage. And the crossfeed feature could be useful with closed headphones.

Also many of the better desktop DACs have fine SS headamps in them, like the Audiolab M-DAC for example.

I noticed in your signature that you have an HP-P1, how does the Sig Pro sound out of that? I would think that it would be a decent match for them. My favorite amp for my Edition 8 was straight out of my HP tx2 laptop, which came with an Altec Lansing sound card.

They have the same problems out of my HP-P1. They are extremely bright, which I don't mind, but even my Ed 10s don't diminish the bass like these seem to do. I mean the bass is there it's just lacking any kind of punch so im having a hard time adjusting to it. I keep comparing them to my pro 2900s which to me is a stand alone headphone.
I was just expecting a lot more bass out of a closed set of cans. I'm gonna talk to an Ultrasone rep and see if something might be defective in them.
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post #36 of 93
9/22/12 at 7:56am

Good idea. I've read a few comparisons between the Sig Pro and Ed8, and the consensus (as I remember it) was that the Ed8 had slightly more of a mid-bass emphasis while the Sig Pros went deeper. Reportedly both have good low-end impact so there could be an issue.

 

Another great SS amp could be the Graham Slee-Solo Ultra Linear.


Edited by grokit - 9/22/12 at 7:57am
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post #37 of 93
9/22/12 at 11:33am
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Good idea. I've read a few comparisons between the Sig Pro and Ed8, and the consensus (as I remember it) was that the Ed8 had slightly more of a mid-bass emphasis while the Sig Pros went deeper. Reportedly both have good low-end impact so there could be an issue.

 

Another great SS amp could be the Graham Slee-Solo Ultra Linear.

Ok I left the sigs alone to "break in" for a few hours and I gotta say I'm feeling a little better about em. 

Bass still doesn't have good punch to it but I love the soudstage and overall clarity of these closed cans. 

 

I'm gonna ask around to see what a few mods can do for these.  

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post #38 of 93
9/22/12 at 1:29pm
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Ok thanks. I thought I was crazy for a minute because I kept hearing how bass heavy they are.
I've been using the sop princess and I just ordered a few more pairs of tubes. Now is the time to try tube rolling to see where that gets me. Other than the less than stellar bass the sigs are fantastic but i bought them mainly for travel and i think a noisy environment would further diminish the bass. I'm gonna stick it out with them for a while and see how it goes. Unless you wanna trade for your TH900s? biggrin.gif

L3000.gif  they never come off my head... wink.gif

 

-Speaking of other amps, I tried the Sig Pro with a hybrid tube amp and a solid sate amp the pure tubes always sounded better.. I feel like tubes amps are usually able to create a warmer deeper sound than solid states (at least from those that I have experienced Nuforce/Peachtree Audio/Music Hall). So with the right tubes (6FD7s specifically for the Woo) you should get the bass you're craving with the WA6SE.. note that the Signatures are supposed to be a balanced headphone since its a "reference monitor" so you're not going to get as much of a bass hump as you would compared to the Ed8 Pro2900 Pro 900 etc.

 

That said the bass is still excellent, though I always thought my D7000 and now my TH900s hit harder. If you want to try out solid state sound just plug it into your computer headphone jack, these are very efficient phones so you will notice a change from the WA6SE to straight into your computer that may be more to your liking..


Edited by Ahzari - 9/22/12 at 4:02pm
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post #39 of 93
9/22/12 at 1:34pm

Great review.

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post #40 of 93
9/22/12 at 5:54pm
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L3000.gif   they never come off my head... wink.gif

-Speaking of other amps, I tried the Sig Pro with a hybrid tube amp and a solid sate amp the pure tubes always sounded better.. I feel like tubes amps are usually able to create a warmer deeper sound than solid states (at least from those that I have experienced Nuforce/Peachtree Audio/Music Hall). So with the right tubes (6FD7s specifically for the Woo) you should get the bass you're craving with the WA6SE.. note that the Signatures are supposed to be a balanced headphone since its a "reference monitor" so you're not going to get as much of a bass hump as you would compared to the Ed8 Pro2900 Pro 900 etc.

That said the bass is still excellent, though I always thought my D7000 and now my TH900s hit harder. If you want to try out solid state sound just plug it into your computer headphone jack, these are very efficient phones so you will notice a change from the WA6SE to straight into your computer that may be more to your liking..
I might just stay with my tube amp and try rolling. I like this amp way too much. I have been having more success with the sig pros. I think I'm just getting used to em. I'll have a better idea if they're keepers in a week or so.
In the mean time shoot me a price for those fostex cans of yours. cool.gif
Oh and I ordered the 6fd7's.
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post #41 of 93
9/22/12 at 6:44pm

Wow guys.

I don't know about you but even driving my Sig Pros with the Leckerton UHA-6SMKII I find it "warm" with great bass extension and sub-bass... Very controlled too (unlike my Denon D5000s). Maybe you do like subwoofers on your head!! lol

 

Listening to this track at KQ, the bass is just excellently delivered:

 

 

Listening to Three Six Mafia is a pleasure...

 

So again, not sure what you are not hearing...

 

 

P.S. Connected them to the Black Cube Linear... flawless...

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post #42 of 93
9/22/12 at 6:55pm
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Wow guys.
I don't know about you but even driving my Sig Pros with the Leckerton UHA-6SMKII I find it "warm" with great bass extension and sub-bass... Very controlled too (unlike my Denon D5000s). Maybe you do like subwoofers on your head!! lol

Listening to this track at KQ, the bass is just excellently delivered:



Listening to Three Six Mafia is a pleasure...

So again, not sure what you are not hearing...


P.S. Connected them to the Black Cube Linear... flawless...
It's posts like yours that make me think something is wrong with these. If we're hearing the same thing and you're interpreting these as having good bass then something is wrong with you. I'm getting the sound of the lows without any actual " punch" or roll off. I can hear the bass drums being hit in songs but there's no impact. Must be my specific pair. I'm comparing them to every other headphone I've owned as far as bass goes. Like I said before they make my hd650s seem bass heavy.

I'm guessing the sig pros are prob the highest end cans you've listened to then? Have you listened to any mid range cans?
Edited by Rawdawg3234 - 9/22/12 at 7:04pm
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post #43 of 93
9/22/12 at 7:11pm

Well... maybe it's because I'm not a "basshead"... or something... but to me bass on these is great! (Still, I want to try the Signature DJs... and I like their white color... :-p)

 

BTW, check profile:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/u/183182/gelocks

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post #44 of 93
9/22/12 at 7:19pm
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Well... maybe it's because I'm not a "basshead"... or something... but to me bass on these is great! (Still, I want to try the Signature DJs... and I like their white color... :-p)

BTW, check profile:

http://www.head-fi.org/u/183182/gelocks
I'm not a bass head either.. I hear good things about the sig dj's as well. I'm gonna talk to an Ultrasone rep next week to see if I can't get to the bottom of this. Thanks for the input.
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post #45 of 93
9/22/12 at 7:23pm
How low do these go? Can they hit 20 or 30 Hz or lower?
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