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post #31 of 73
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Gwarmi, you obviously frequent A2A regularly, so have a listen to the Rega Apollo R CDP and let me know what your impressions are.  I am debating whether a "better" CDP will make a reasonable difference in my system (V200-LCD2- T1)

 


 

 Yeh the new top loader from Rega should deliver hopefully at that price point - if I get my hands on it, I'll let you know.

 

 Did get a chance to play with Mr Jack Woo's new stacker CD Transport and DAC - it apparently needs a good 50 hours to

 sound it's best, great finish quality and the sound was not bad across the mids and up - bass was a bit off though, but again

 - early days and this was up against a $6500 Luxman D-05 CD Player.

 

post #32 of 73
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I like HD 800, but I hate the sibilance. How do I make it disappear? Things I'm considering: 

1. Replacing the cable with a Cardas one. 
2. Try new interconnects and/or power cords. 
3. Do the "Anaxilus"-mod (but would prefer not to) 
4. Upgrade DAC (this I will do, to a very smooth one. Currently using the M1HPA's built in DAC) 

I will NOT replace the amp, at least not in a near future. 

So what do you guys think? :) 

Also, would you consider Amarra Mini a good step up from standard iTunes playback? 

Thanks!


 

You are right that you don't want to change amp. I heard M1HPA with HD800 and I can say that it is not the cause of sibiliance. It has smooth sound.

I think that the most effective way to replace the sibiliance and not to loose the HD800's charm is to buy a good DAC. As you are using M1's internal DAC I'm sure that it can accent sibiliance.

Take a note, that all HD800 headphones (new too) have 7 kHz peak. But if you use devices (DAC and amp) with smooth sound to drive them this peak will not be very noticable and their sound will be rather balanced.

P. S. I tried the Anaxilus mod (with dense wool) and it didn't help me with HD800 brightness but it made upper heights less evident and made the sound less transparent.


Edited by dubselect - 4/1/12 at 3:30am
post #33 of 73
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You are right that you don't want to change amp. I heard M1HPA with HD800 and I can say that it is not the cause of sibiliance. It has smooth sound.

I think that the most effective way to replace the sibiliance and not to loose the HD800's charm is to buy a good DAC. As you are using M1's internal DAC I'm sure that it can accent sibiliance.

Take a note, that all HD800 headphones (new too) have 7 kHz peak. But if you use devices (DAC and amp) with smooth sound to drive them this peak will not be very noticable and their sound will be rather balanced.

P. S. I tried the Anaxilus mod (with dense wool) and it didn't help me with HD800 brightness but it made upper heights less evident and made the sound less transparent.

 

Yeah I'll get a very smooth DAC soon =) 
 

 

post #34 of 73
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Check out the Eddie Current amps.  

 

Also, just got done w/ a meet using a Mac and Amarra and that was rather thin and painful tbh.  Digital glare and harshness in spades.  You need something forgiving to hide that sort of source.  A Marantz CD transport via coax to the PS Audio PWD Mk.2 absolutely annihilated it.  Full, rich, balanced sound with detail in abundance.  Listening to Cello you can visualize rossin flying off the horse hairs from the bow.  With the Mac it was a flat, painful 2D recording all treble tipped.  Amp was the EC BA in both cases (Aristaeus and T2 for the Stats) switching back and forth with myself, bluebliss, n3rdling and purrin all listening from HD800, LCD3, HE90, 007, 009.


Huh? I ain't gonna use CDs, haha :p My entire library is ALAC on the IMAC and it will remain that way. Plus a CD transport would cost me extra cash. I though that with a good, asynchronous DAC the computer does not have any part of the game and just acts as transport :( 

post #35 of 73
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Huh? I ain't gonna use CDs, haha :p My entire library is ALAC on the IMAC and it will remain that way. Plus a CD transport would cost me extra cash. I though that with a good, asynchronous DAC the computer does not have any part of the game and just acts as transport :( 



But what about digital streamer like Musical Fidelity M1 Click?

I heard some Linn DSs and can say that they sound better than CD players at the same price. And they have convinient interface.

I think, their main advantage is that PC doesn't participate in playing music. PC is only using to control playback and to keep data.

post #36 of 73
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But what about digital streamer like Musical Fidelity M1 Click?

I heard some Linn DSs and can say that they sound better than CD players at the same price. And they have convinient interface.

I think, their main advantage is that PC doesn't participate in playing music. PC is only using to control playback and to keep data.


I'll look into it! 

post #37 of 73
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P. S. I tried the Anaxilus mod (with dense wool) and it didn't help me with HD800 brightness but it made upper heights less evident and made the sound less transparent.

 

You realize that is not the mod.  The creatology foam was chosen for a reason and the measurements show a 3dB drop at 6khz.  I don't know why dense wool would be ever assumed to have the same properties as creatology foam.  That's like making pea soup using broccoli instead.
 

 

post #38 of 73

If you really want to get a good DAC, you should probably do a lot of reading and research in the audiogon digital forum. Good postings there to give you some perspective.

post #39 of 73
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 Yeh the new top loader from Rega should deliver hopefully at that price point - if I get my hands on it, I'll let you know.

 Did get a chance to play with Mr Jack Woo's new stacker CD Transport and DAC - it apparently needs a good 50 hours to
 sound it's best, great finish quality and the sound was not bad across the mids and up - bass was a bit off though, but again
 - early days and this was up against a $6500 Luxman D-05 CD Player.

Is the Woo cd player still painfully slow/sluggish? Seems like the software needs to be done better on a player of that price.

@ OP I would try the mod first. It's cheap, completely reversible, and is supposed to target the area you are having problems with.
Edited by Maxvla - 4/1/12 at 10:46am
post #40 of 73

I want to get the new Woo transport but I am very weary about this (and the software) of the transport. I'll be waiting for some more impressions from someone before it hits my doorstep.
 

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 Yeh the new top loader from Rega should deliver hopefully at that price point - if I get my hands on it, I'll let you know.

 

 Did get a chance to play with Mr Jack Woo's new stacker CD Transport and DAC - it apparently needs a good 50 hours to

 sound it's best, great finish quality and the sound was not bad across the mids and up - bass was a bit off though, but again

 - early days and this was up against a $6500 Luxman D-05 CD Player.

 



 

 

post #41 of 73
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post
@ OP I would try the mod first. It's cheap, completely reversible, and is supposed to target the area you are having problems with.


And effective.  wink_face.gif

 

I agree, it's only ~$8 and takes minutes to do.  Why not try it?

 

 

post #42 of 73
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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

Check out the Eddie Current amps.  

 

Also, just got done w/ a meet using a Mac and Amarra and that was rather thin and painful tbh.  Digital glare and harshness in spades.  You need something forgiving to hide that sort of source.  A Marantz CD transport via coax to the PS Audio PWD Mk.2 absolutely annihilated it.  Full, rich, balanced sound with detail in abundance.  Listening to Cello you can visualize rossin flying off the horse hairs from the bow.  With the Mac it was a flat, painful 2D recording all treble tipped.  Amp was the EC BA in both cases (Aristaeus and T2 for the Stats) switching back and forth with myself, bluebliss, n3rdling and purrin all listening from HD800, LCD3, HE90, 007, 009.



That just proves that the USB implementation in the Perfect Wave is not as good as one would like to believe. 

post #43 of 73
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If you really want to get a good DAC, you should probably do a lot of reading and research in the audiogon digital forum. Good postings there to give you some perspective.


RWA Isabellina DAC (which is a DAC with a tube buffer) makes treble/highs smother...at least with my W5000.

post #44 of 73
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Is the Woo cd player still painfully slow/sluggish? Seems like the software needs to be done better on a player of that price.
@ OP I would try the mod first. It's cheap, completely reversible, and is supposed to target the area you are having problems with.


 Might wait until later on in the week when it's racked up some hours, there's an old Luxman CD unit with a tube stage lying around that might

 be a good comparison unit - for all you guys in the US, I'd expect dealers to have one out so it might not be too difficult to make the trip

 and hear it for yourself. I will say this though - it did sound a lot better off XLR to the amp than RCA - connection between the transport

 and Woo DAC was with a Nordost Blue Heaven Coax cable of less than 1m.

 

 It's not the most zippy software going around but then again a lot of top tier units are in that range, the Luxman D-05 unit I mentioned above

 likes to take it's sweet time approx. 10 seconds or so of seek time between CD changes. Track swapping might be a touch quicker.


Edited by Gwarmi - 4/1/12 at 2:33pm
post #45 of 73
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Originally Posted by Gwarmi View Post



 Might wait until later on in the week when it's racked up some hours, there's an old Luxman CD unit with a tube stage lying around that might

 be a good comparison unit - for all you guys in the US, I'd expect dealers to have one out so it might not be too difficult to make the trip

 and hear it for yourself. I will say this though - it did sound a lot better off XLR to the amp than RCA - connection between the transport

 and Woo DAC was with a Nordost Blue Heaven Coax cable of less than 1m.

 

 It's not the most zippy software going around but then again a lot of top tier units are in that range, the Luxman D-05 unit I mentioned above

 likes to take it's sweet time approx. 10 seconds or so of seek time between CD changes. Track swapping might be a touch quicker.


Really looking forward to more impressions.
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