Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › Denon D7100?!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Denon D7100?! - Page 65  

post #961 of 1913
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post


It costs more than $1200 to make them. wink.gif


Do you really believe that? That's kinda hard to believe. Also if they are mass producing them I'd think the price to make them would be considerably less.

post #962 of 1913

the d7100 definitely costs more than 1.2k because denon didnt have enough budget to put more dampening inside the cups wink_face.gif

post #963 of 1913

The TH900 is hand-lacquered with up to a full week of drying time in between each coat, that's hardly mass production:

 

"Urushi lacquer is made from the sap of the urushi tree (Rhus vernicifera). The urushi tree has been considered such a valuable commodity that it was planted all over Japan during the Edo period (1603-1868). However, the areas today where urushi sap is actually produced are very limited.

 

Raw urushi is used for base coats, and refined urushi is used for top coats and decoration. The process of producing typical wooden urushi lacquerware has over 20 steps and more than a hundred individual processes, still done by hand. Even a small object like a bowl can take over 6 months to make.


These steps include:

  • seasoning the wood
  • carving and sanding it to form the object
  • reinforcing fragile parts with linen cloth (for Wajima nuri)
  • applying several base coats of raw lacquer
    with drying and polishing between each coat
  • applying several coats of refeined black or red lacquer
    with more drying and polishing between each coat."

 

http://www.stutler.cc/pens/wajima/urushi.html


Edited by grokit - 9/27/12 at 5:46pm
post #964 of 1913

Are the TH900 cups made of wood? I was under the impression they are not.

post #965 of 1913

Soundwise and construction wise, its not even close. The TH-900s blow the D7100s out of the water.

 

Better still, I'd take the Audio Technica W3000ANVs.

post #966 of 1913

I don't thing we are arguing on that part Macedonian. I'm more so curious about the TH900 really costing over $1,200 to produce. I still have my doubts there. Maybe a bit less than half that cost and I'd agree. But who knows? This may not be relative but at least from what I've heard the iphones are a tad under $200 to produce and at full price they go for what around $600+?
 


Edited by lee730 - 9/27/12 at 5:52pm
post #967 of 1913
  • The housings are made of Japanese Cherry Birch (Betula Grossa), the Japanese specialty with rigid and dense texture for maximum acoustic performance
  • The housings are finished by the traditional "Urushi" lacquer (a.k.a. Japan) by a 100 years old artisan group. The finish used for the TH-900 is called "Bordeaux" and is simply stunning

 

http://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/products/TH-900.shtml

 

I just love Googling stuff for people wink.gif

post #968 of 1913
Quote:
Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

I don't thing we are arguing on that part Macedonian. I'm more so curious about the TH900 really costing over $1,200 to produce. I still have my doubts there. Maybe a bit less than half that cost and I'd agree. But who knows? This may not be relative but at least from what I've heard the iphones are a tad under $200 to produce and at full price they go for what around $600+?
 

Cost and Price usually are never correlated. Nor should they be in a free market. Cost is how much it costs a manufacturer to make Item A. Price is what you can get for it in the market. If you can get 100X the cost, then all the power to you. smile.gif

post #969 of 1913
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Cost and Price usually are never correlated. Nor should they be in a free market. Cost is how much it costs a manufacturer to make Item A. Price is what you can get for it in the market. If you can get 100X the cost, then all the power to you. smile.gif


True. But that is my point though. Just one more reason why I will not be considering this headphone unless the price comes down considerably. Do you think this headphone is comparable to your LCD3? Now I was considering dropping that kinda money on a headphone like that. But am skeptical regarding the TH900. I'm more apt to spend more on sound quality improvement over looks or craftsmanship. But that is just me :).


Edited by lee730 - 9/27/12 at 6:04pm
post #970 of 1913
Quote:
Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


True. But that is my point though. Just one more reason why I will not be considering this headphone unless the price comes down considerably. Do you think this headphone is comparable to your LCD3? Now I was considering dropping that kinda money on a headphone like that. But am skeptical regarding the TH900. I'm more apt to spend more on sound quality improvement over looks or craftsmanship. But that is just me :).

 

I think the TH-900s are an improved D7000 (which I did like very much). But no, not in the same class (technically or musically) to the LCD-3s to my ears. I agree, I think $2k is too much for this headphone, so as a consumer, I've moved along. I'd strongly suggest you look at the W3000ANVs for a great closed headphone for about $1200 (and more seductive to my ears). YMMV of course.

post #971 of 1913
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

 

I think the TH-900s are an improved D7000 (which I did like very much). But no, not in the same class (technically or musically) to the LCD-3s to my ears. I agree, I think $2k is too much for this headphone, so as a consumer, I've moved along. I'd strongly suggest you look at the W3000ANVs for a great closed headphone for about $1200 (and more seductive to my ears). YMMV of course.


lol Macedonian I owned them and sold them. Even took a loss ($300 loss) so I won't be going down that path again. While I agree they were nice sounding just they are picky with the amp and I don't have that kind of money now to drop $2000+ on an amp to get it to my requirements. I sold them to get my Tralucent 1Plus2s and prefer the Tralucents sound to the ANVs. Thus my comments regarding preferring sound improvements over looks and craftsmanship ;). I think the fact that I took a $300 loss just proves my point regarding the prices being exorbitant initially. The ANVs came down quite a bit in price  compared to what I paid ($1,300) so I was quite upset and won't be falling prey to that again. If I had waited I'd have saved $300.00 and would have been more apt in keeping them. Maybe even investing in a proper amp :).


Edited by lee730 - 9/27/12 at 6:16pm
post #972 of 1913

So all these hard working red urushi paints/coating/etc...really help to make the sounds better ?

I am just curious because I really want to get a better closed headphone than my Denon AH-D7000, I also tried UE8 but didn't like the clamping pressure.

post #973 of 1913

Well it seems you are paying more for a luxury than actual sound in this case. Not saying the sound isn't an improvement over the Denon 7000s. I'm sure they are. I would rather forgo the luxuries though if it would mean a reasonable price. But if you are willing to pay the premium I'm sure you'd be happy. Now will you be happy with the actual improvements for the price you paid. That is what makes me wonder.
 

post #974 of 1913
Quote:
Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

Are the TH900 cups made of wood? I was under the impression they are not.

Yep, it's cherry birch.
Quote:
Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


Do you really believe that? That's kinda hard to believe. Also if they are mass producing them I'd think the price to make them would be considerably less.

That finish alone is $700-800, I've seen pens with that particular Urushi finish selling for a minimum of $400 and upwards of $1200-2000. That lacquer finish can't be mass produced, not in the typical industrial sense. It takes a lot of time, and the time and danger (the stuff can be deadly while it's curing) is what you pay for.
Edited by Magick Man - 9/27/12 at 6:37pm
post #975 of 1913

That's what I figured :).
 

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Headphones (full-size)
This thread is locked  
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › Denon D7100?!