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post #196 of 1913

 

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I'd like to mention that I doubt these will sound as good as the models they're... replacing?  

 

Anyway, a major reason why the current phones sound as good as they do is down to how the driver's backwave is dampened by the material in the ear pads, BUT this set up is also what makes them so large and "leaky".  These new phones are considerably smaller and seems to have been designed with portable use in mind, both of which makes it pretty clear that these don't have this system and thus will sound like every other closed can.  The older phones bodies being made of wood also makes them much more resonant resistant than plastic.  

 

Agreed, headphones have huge cups for a reason.

 

 

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In terms of ascetics, these new cans are a mess of shapes, it's like someone vomited geons into reality.  The Foster made units form these nice concentric circles and semicicles with the cup, then the wishbone, then the cantilever.  The headband also follows this same even curve to round out the package.  

 

Spot on, I'd also like to add on that the design style is very well done as well; it pretty much nails "modern masculine". Black leather, wood, matte metal, clean/sharp lines, and simple squares and circles. The only thing that doesn't really fit is the cantilever, which looks too round and alien to match the rest. I can sort of see where the designer was coming from with it (transitioning from circles to squares), but I don't think it was the best move. It seems they fixed that somewhat with the Fostex TH900.

 

post #197 of 1913

 

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Most people buy headphones without listening to them, that isn't exactly new. My guess is that they're worried that if the D7000's get replaced, it'll be harder for them to pick one up.

Another reason is that some people genuinely do care about design, it isn't really all that uncommon.

Also, Beats are not good design.

 

You and others missed the point completely - audiophiles laughs at people buying Beats because they say Beats buyers base their purchases on looks and not sound, when people judging the D7100 before listening to them they are doing the EXACT SAME THING that they are laughing at others for doing - it's call hypocrisy and I'm pointing that out.  

 

Being an audiophile should mean we should care about the sound first - not saying you don't have to care about looks too, but putting looks before sound is not what what our community should be about.

 

TBH I don't think the D7100 looks that good either, but I'm 100% not going to judge them until I listen to them first, if they sound good - or heaven forbid - they sound better than the D7000 I would buy them base on that merit.  Anyone doing otherwise should be ashamed to call themselves an audiophile IMO.

post #198 of 1913
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You and others missed the point completely - audiophiles laughs at people buying Beats because they say Beats buyers base their purchases on looks and not sound, when people judging the D7100 before listening to them they are doing the EXACT SAME THING that they are laughing at others for doing - it's call hypocrisy and I'm pointing that out.  

That's fine, I can live with that. Maybe if I'd known the Denon cans were going to be so hideous, I would have been more understanding of Beats people. Of course, their headphones still sound like crap, whereas the woody Denons are superb, but I'll admit to being a sucker for the way my D7000s look.
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Being an audiophile should mean we should care about the sound first - not saying you don't have to care about looks too, but putting looks before sound is not what what our community should be about.

TBH I don't think the D7100 looks that good either, but I'm 100% not going to judge them until I listen to them first, if they sound good - or heaven forbid - they sound better than the D7000 I would buy them base on that merit. Anyone doing otherwise should be ashamed to call themselves an audiophile IMO.

Yes, as I and many others have have also said, we want our gear to be audibly and aesthetically pleasing. I'm not going to buy an ugly car just because it offers good performance, but if that's your bag, go for it.

Also, I don't call myself an "audiophile", I'm a music lover who enjoys nice audio gear.
post #199 of 1913

 

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You and others missed the point completely - audiophiles laughs at people buying Beats because they say Beats buyers base their purchases on looks and not sound, when people judging the D7100 before listening to them they are doing the EXACT SAME THING that they are laughing at others for doing - it's call hypocrisy and I'm pointing that out.  

 

Being an audiophile should mean we should care about the sound first - not saying you don't have to care about looks too, but putting looks before sound is not what what our community should be about.

 

TBH I don't think the D7100 looks that good either, but I'm 100% not going to judge them until I listen to them first, if they sound good - or heaven forbid - they sound better than the D7000 I would buy them base on that merit.  Anyone doing otherwise should be ashamed to call themselves an audiophile IMO.

 

Just because you're an "audiophile" (hate that word) doesn't mean you can't enjoy design, they're not mutually exclusive. The car example I made earlier explains it well, if Ferrari started making horrible looking cars, even the performance purists would call foul.

post #200 of 1913

 

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Just because you're an "audiophile" (hate that word) doesn't mean you can't enjoy design, they're not mutually exclusive. The car example I made earlier explains it well, if Ferrari started making horrible looking cars, even the performance purists would call foul.

 

You are still missing the point, I'm not saying that looks and sound are mutually exclusive at all.  Let me put it in a clearer example.

 

N00b Beats/Bose buyers (points to a pair of Audio Technica M50 or whatever):  I'm not buying these cos they don't look as good as the Beats/Bose so they must be ****!

Angry "audiophile", those who always comes out first to laugh at n00b Beats/Bose buyers for going with looks rather than sound, disappointed with D7100 design: I'm not buying these cos they don't look as good as the D7000 so they must be ****!

 

What happened to the actual "sound" bit which is supposed to be THE final criteria on audio equipment?  Nowhere.

 

If you don't see the irony and the hypocrisy here then I've got nothing else to say on the matter.


Edited by nanaholic - 4/21/12 at 4:11am
post #201 of 1913

I think it is silly moaning about people complaining about the looks....

 

This is the first post and noone has heard the headphones yet... Also they look terrible compared the the D7000....

 

Obviously people are going to comment on this!

post #202 of 1913
People can complain, because it's a step back aesthetically. I think it's generally agreed upon that the new Denon looks like **** compared to the old one.

Sound may be improved, but for those of us who look into the total package and not just one aspect on what we buy, we have every right to complain about it's horrible, HORRIBLE design.

If sound was the only thing important, then we wouldn't care about looks, comfort, or price.

We have to take ALL aspects on a product as a whole. If one of these things doesn't quite match the caliber of everything else, well... complaints are bound to happen.

I certainly wouldn't pay all that cold hard cash on a new product that looks like crap, feels like crap, and of course, sounds like crap. All these things have to be in top form.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 4/21/12 at 5:18am
post #203 of 1913

 

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Originally Posted by nanaholic View Post

 

 

You and others missed the point completely - audiophiles laughs at people buying Beats because they say Beats buyers base their purchases on looks and not sound, when people judging the D7100 before listening to them they are doing the EXACT SAME THING that they are laughing at others for doing - it's call hypocrisy and I'm pointing that out.

You seem to miss the fact that the D7000  have a reputation for looks AND sound. Lot of people would like to get beats that sounds good, because they like the design. The v-moda m 80 seem to offer  a good alternative to beats (i.e portable+ design + good sound).

post #204 of 1913

I own many headphones and I still listen to the D7000 fairly regularly. It is great for a wide range of music and although it has a slightly more confined sound stage than an open phone, it is capable of fantastic mid range and bass response when paired with the correct amplifier.

 

I had mine professionally recabled to balanced and it made a noticeable difference with the Ray Samuels B52. If they were to make an open version of this headphone and maintain many of the sound characteristics while enhancing the soundstage it would be even better.

post #205 of 1913

 

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You are still missing the point, I'm not saying that looks and sound are mutually exclusive at all.  Let me put it in a clearer example.

 

N00b Beats/Bose buyers (points to a pair of Audio Technica M50 or whatever):  I'm not buying these cos they don't look as good as the Beats/Bose so they must be ****!

Angry "audiophile", those who always comes out first to laugh at n00b Beats/Bose buyers for going with looks rather than sound, disappointed with D7100 design: I'm not buying these cos they don't look as good as the D7000 so they must be ****!

 

What happened to the actual "sound" bit which is supposed to be THE final criteria on audio equipment?  Nowhere.

 

If you don't see the irony and the hypocrisy here then I've got nothing else to say on the matter.

 

And what I'm trying to say is people aren't that simple.

Usually people who laugh at the "beats" crowd because they're choosing a headphone that sounds *awful*, I wouldn't exactly call the D7000's awful sounding. Not to mention that a lot of people think the Beats look bad. You're acting as if the "audiophiles" on this site only care about sound, which is not true.

Also, the design of the D7100's could actually be detrimental to the sound (as was discussed a few posts earlier), as plastic can be resonant, and small cups will downsize the soundstage and may cause a number of other problems.

What I've been trying to say is you're generalizing the people here, it isn't cut and dry. A lot of people that were drawn to the Denons was the fact that they're a complete package; great sounding, comfortable, and really good looking.

post #206 of 1913
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A lot of people that were drawn to the Denons was the fact that they're a complete package; great sounding, comfortable, and really good looking.

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post #207 of 1913

I don't think anybody here was saying that they're bad headphones anyways.  Just that they're hideous, which they are.  If they end up sounding incredible, then fine.  But all we know so far is what they look like, and that will remain the case until somebody demos them.

post #208 of 1913
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A lot of people that were drawn to the Denons was the fact that they're a complete package; great sounding, comfortable, and really good looking.



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post #209 of 1913

According to sellers, Denon has decided NOT to axe the 2000 7000. Only the 2000 and 5000 / 7000.

 

EDIT: Oh well, sorry for the false alarm.

 

Cheers,


Edited by PeachesNCream - 4/21/12 at 10:25am
post #210 of 1913

god they look ugly and beats-ish

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