Denon D7100?! - Page 79

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Originally Posted by korzena 

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Originally Posted by Silent One 

 

I'll politely disagree with 150 hours being an amazingly long brain burn-in time. Possible, yes, but in my view this isn't strictly limited to the brain.

I was referring to the "1,500-1,900":)

Ah ha! I don't consider that period burn-in.The cable and drivers collectively sweetened, if you would. Of course, this is my view. On a side note, over the years I've heard many pieces of gear - some pieces over a very long time and their replacements due to something being sold or returned for repair. I have heard amps, decks, speakers and other goodies filled with electronics sometimes change with age. Some seem to think this is a stretch, that capacitors, resistors, wiring and such will not age and possibly affect the presentation. Um, I'm so happy for that camp over there. Yes, many things can affect what we hear, what we think we hear and what we WANT to hear.

Besides being a long time enthusiast of music and gear, I worked in Home Audio (Retail) and Car Audio (QA - manufacturing). 

Or in which areas D7100 is better/worse than D7000?

D7000 is high end while d7100 is mid-fi at best.

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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl 

D7000 is high end while d7100 is mid-fi at best.

That's a bold statement. Could you provide at least some support for your claim?

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Originally Posted by korzena 

That's a bold statement. Could you provide at least some support for your claim?

Probably not gonna get Denon saying the D7100 is a step down from its predecessor but looking at the price, materials used, design and general consensus from forum members, it's pretty widely agreed that the D7000s are "higher-end" phones. Just from what I've seen and heard obviously.

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Originally Posted by korzena 

That's a bold statement. Could you provide at least some support for your claim?

well i haven't heard the d7100, but i did get to listen to the d600, and they where decent, but not worth the price, considering even the old denon d2000 where better than those (only 200 dollars, more transparency, cleaner bass, etc). just hearing the new overall sound + quality, its pretty obvious that they're a step down from the previous generation.

the graphs explain the rest of it

For me the D600 is somewhat in between the D2000 and the D5000, as reflected in MSRP, being closer to the D5000 in sound. I'm just talking stock here though, with the mods the D2000 becomes as expensive as the D600. The midrange is clearer and the bass tighter, more controlled in the D600. Soundstage is impressive for a closed-back headphone that actually isolates, reminds me of the DT770.

As for the D7100, coming from the D7000, the 7100 doesn't wow me in any way, which is somewhat disappointing considering the $1200 price tag. The 7000 is lush and full sounding, while the 7100 is airier. Sibilance is about the same, with the 7000 being a tad more at that. Contrary to popular belief my 7100 doesn't seem any more bassy than my old 600.

My conclusion is that if you can get the Denons at 20-30% off MSRP they're definitely worth the money, more so when factoring in the packaging, build, accessories, etc. They do look quite dorky in hands because of the awkwardly huge frame but actually are really nice when sitting on the head.

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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl 

 

 

well i haven't heard the d7100, but i did get to listen to the d600, and they where decent, but not worth the price, considering even the old denon d2000 where better than those (only 200 dollars, more transparency, cleaner bass, etc). just hearing the new overall sound + quality, its pretty obvious that they're a step down from the previous generation.

 

the graphs explain the rest of it

Looks like Denon shot themselves in the foot with this new line. The future will show.

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Originally Posted by korzena 

That's a bold statement. Could you provide at least some support for your claim?

Personal experience with these headphones. The new line is just not worth you money, and they did a very poor job designing the resonance within the cup. Put your money in other headphones.

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Originally Posted by LinkPro 

For me the D600 is somewhat in between the D2000 and the D5000, as reflected in MSRP, being closer to the D5000 in sound. I'm just talking stock here though, with the mods the D2000 becomes as expensive as the D600. The midrange is clearer and the bass tighter, more controlled in the D600. Soundstage is impressive for a closed-back headphone that actually isolates, reminds me of the DT770.

 

As for the D7100, coming from the D7000, the 7100 doesn't wow me in any way, which is somewhat disappointing considering the $1200 price tag. The 7000 is lush and full sounding, while the 7100 is airier. Sibilance is about the same, with the 7000 being a tad more at that. Contrary to popular belief my 7100 doesn't seem any more bassy than my old 600.

 

My conclusion is that if you can get the Denons at 20-30% off MSRP they're definitely worth the money, more so when factoring in the packaging, build, accessories, etc. They do look quite dorky in hands because of the awkwardly huge frame but actually are really nice when sitting on the head.

Meh nah. D7100 should be about $450, and D600 $200. 

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Originally Posted by korzena 

That's a bold statement. Could you provide at least some support for your claim?

Wow thats cocky, how about you read. its not bold at all. Their ****. 

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Originally Posted by WiR3D 

Meh nah. D7100 should be about $450, and D600 $200. 

 

Wow thats cocky, how about you read. its not bold at all. Their ****. 

OK! Looks like my D7000 is still a keeper and this fact gives peace of mind :)

You guys should try the D7100 on an iPhone 5. WOW!!!

 

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Originally Posted by HiFiGuy528 

You guys should try the D7100 on an iPhone 5. WOW!!!

But, I don't have an iPhone 5. 

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Originally Posted by elwappo99 

 

Personal experience with these headphones. The new line is just not worth you money, and they did a very poor job designing the resonance within the cup. Put your money in other headphones.

I'm surprised nobody has taken the cups apart and tried dampening them. Or do you just consider it a lost cause?

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Originally Posted by WiR3D 

Meh nah. D7100 should be about $450, and D600 $200. 

 

Wow thats cocky, how about you read. its not bold at all. Their ****. 

Without the box, cables, accessories etc. sure that's about as much as they're worth. Maybe $100 more for each. i.e. if you buy the headphones without packaging or anything else.

D600 has been as low as as $330, I think that's a good price. Those like you who judge headphones based on sound only will not be able to appreciate what the new line has to offer, considering that sound might not have been the main focus when they were designed. I do agree that as far as sound goes the 7100 is most certainly NOT an upgrade to the 7000 in any possible way.

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Originally Posted by LinkPro 

 Those like you who judge headphones based on sound only will not be able to appreciate what the new line has to offer,

What ?