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post #991 of 1535

Hey guys. I just got my MAD HD Super II for my rs1i and about to upgrade my DAC. Wondering if gungnir is a good combination for my amp and headphones...

 

To me the amp sounds great but I expect more non-subtle improvements from the amp which there isn't. So I assumed I should get rid of my weakest link and get a descent DAC, and gungnir costs and has been reviewed like the kind of amp that I'm willing to invest in. But just curious anyone listens to gungnir with rs1i or mapletree amps and how is the combination?

post #992 of 1535
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Originally Posted by dan0987 View Post

Hey guys. I just got my MAD HD Super II for my rs1i and about to upgrade my DAC. Wondering if gungnir is a good combination for my amp and headphones...

 

To me the amp sounds great but I expect more non-subtle improvements from the amp which there isn't. So I assumed I should get rid of my weakest link and get a descent DAC, and gungnir costs and has been reviewed like the kind of amp that I'm willing to invest in. But just curious anyone listens to gungnir with rs1i or mapletree amps and how is the combination?

Also I have to consider getting an interface or something after I get the DAC :) I currently use that Musicland 02US as my interface and DAC.

post #993 of 1535

Newbie question I'm almost embarrassed to ask:

 

Does the Gungnir handle SACD?  In other words, if I take my SACD player and plug it into the Gungnir using coax rca (or optical for that matter) will it work?

 

 

I was probably being naive but It didn't even occur to me when purchasing a $700+ well regarded DAC from a manufacturer that makes a fuss about "high quality sources" on their website but doesn't list out the specific supported sources that it would not handle SACD stereo.

 

 

I only realized this was even a question worth asking because I stumbled upon Jason's "Schiit SACD/DSD Research Thread" where he says "The topic of SACD and its associated DSD datastream have come up in questions about our DAC products" but he doesn't actually answer it.

 

I've searched Head-fi for this but failed to come up with anything that states this explicitly.  Schiit's otherwise great FAQ completely skips it.  

 

Is there a basic assumption across the board that DAC's in general do not handle stereo SACD?  I know my little Fiio E7 doesn't but does this apply to higher end ones as well?  Does the spec "Input Capability: up to 24/192 for all inputs" mean something related to SACD?

post #994 of 1535
SACD players are restricted from outputting a digital signal for copyright protection. You will find that SACD players will only output analog music when playing an SACD. It is possible, though complicated, to rip an SACD to your computer and play it back on DSD capable DACs in SACD's native format, DSD.
post #995 of 1535
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

SACD players are restricted from outputting a digital signal for copyright protection. You will find that SACD players will only output analog music when playing an SACD. It is possible, though complicated, to rip an SACD to your computer and play it back on DSD capable DACs in SACD's native format, DSD.

 

Thanks for the explanation!

 

That also explains why it was so darn hard to search on the forum; because everyone is talking about DSD but not SACD players since they are feeding (or wanting to feed) the SACD format to a DAC via a computer (referring to it as DSD) and not straight from an actual SACD player.

 

It will be interesting to see how CD's fed through the Gungnir via coax from one of my (non-reference) CD players compares to the analog output from my old (also non-reference) DVD/SACD/CD player fed straight into my Woo WA2 compares.  Waiting for both the Gungnir and WA2 to arrive from UPS Friday.

post #996 of 1535

As was mentioned, the SACD player connected digitally to the Gungnir (or any DAC) will output silence when you try to play the SACD layer.  If you play a regular CD on that, it will output through the digital port.  I was bummed to discover that a couple years back as well.  My home system DAC ended up being better than the built-in DAC in my SACD player.  I ended up going the probably-not-legal route of getting a specific PS3 that will rip the DSD layer off the SACD.  I converted that DSD to 24/96 (or 24/192) and fed that to my nice DAC from my computer, and that worked well.  

 

My guess (as was my experience) is that your SACDs (through the SACD player DAC) will sound inferior to your regular CDs (through the Gungnir).  :(

 

I, too, am waiting for my Gungnir to arrive hopefully soon.  I am curious how it will work from the Macbook Pro.  Does it consider the toslink optical to be subpar?  If so, then I will probably output via an M2Tech HiFace to coax optical and then out to the Gungnir.  But if I can save the $200 on the M2Tech I definitely would like to!

 

Good luck!

 

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Originally Posted by CaffeinatedX42 View Post

Newbie question I'm almost embarrassed to ask:

 

Does the Gungnir handle SACD?  In other words, if I take my SACD player and plug it into the Gungnir using coax rca (or optical for that matter) will it work?

 

 

I was probably being naive but It didn't even occur to me when purchasing a $700+ well regarded DAC from a manufacturer that makes a fuss about "high quality sources" on their website but doesn't list out the specific supported sources that it would not handle SACD stereo.

 

 

I only realized this was even a question worth asking because I stumbled upon Jason's "Schiit SACD/DSD Research Thread" where he says "The topic of SACD and its associated DSD datastream have come up in questions about our DAC products" but he doesn't actually answer it.

 

I've searched Head-fi for this but failed to come up with anything that states this explicitly.  Schiit's otherwise great FAQ completely skips it.  

 

Is there a basic assumption across the board that DAC's in general do not handle stereo SACD?  I know my little Fiio E7 doesn't but does this apply to higher end ones as well?  Does the spec "Input Capability: up to 24/192 for all inputs" mean something related to SACD?

post #997 of 1535
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Originally Posted by BokononVolta View Post

As was mentioned, the SACD player connected digitally to the Gungnir (or any DAC) will output silence when you try to play the SACD layer.  If you play a regular CD on that, it will output through the digital port.  I was bummed to discover that a couple years back as well.  My home system DAC ended up being better than the built-in DAC in my SACD player.  I ended up going the probably-not-legal route of getting a specific PS3 that will rip the DSD layer off the SACD.  I converted that DSD to 24/96 (or 24/192) and fed that to my nice DAC from my computer, and that worked well.  

 

My guess (as was my experience) is that your SACDs (through the SACD player DAC) will sound inferior to your regular CDs (through the Gungnir).  :(

 

I, too, am waiting for my Gungnir to arrive hopefully soon.  I am curious how it will work from the Macbook Pro.  Does it consider the toslink optical to be subpar?  If so, then I will probably output via an M2Tech HiFace to coax optical and then out to the Gungnir.  But if I can save the $200 on the M2Tech I definitely would like to!

 

Good luck!

 

 

I too "backup" my SACD via a PS3.  It is not illegal to make backup copies for personal use - I don't *think* that law has changed but who knows there has been a lot of churn in DRM related law recently.  I know that the high-end Oppos used to be able to play SACD rips but that capability was removed "at the request of the studios" about a year ago.  However there *IS* software you can run on your PC or Mac that will either translate the DSD to PCM (.wav, which can be compressed to FLAC).  And also some software that will simply play the SACD ISO rip out some digital interface to your DAC directly.

So, as long as you can find an old PS3 or a friend nearby who has one, you're still okay.

 

No toslink I've been able to find will play at > 96khz.  Not on any MacBook-Even Pros, nor Minis.  It *may* be possible to find a Soundcard to fit a Mac Pro (deskside) that can do S/PDIF (coax and toslink are both S/PDIF) if you can get drivers.  The other alternative is to monitor the "Hackintosh" community to find a Motherboard or MB/Soundcard combo which can run OS X and also have the drivers to deal with S/PDIF.  I believe this to be possible but have not run this to ground.

 

Note that there is no technical reason that toslink is limited to 96k.  I work in the Networking biz and all the best interfaces are optical.

The problem is the toslink specifications are CRAP.  The light frequency (red visible) and the fiber spec as cheap plastic.  3 meter distance limitation.  Compare this with Long Haul Single Mode Optical fiber which can reliably carry 10gigabit for 80 kilometers!  The signal on these fibers is actually dangerous.  It can burn retinas and (I'm told) even skin.

See:  http://www.arcelect.com/fibercable.htm for all you want to know about optical fiber.

 

I currently run both my Bifrost and Gungnir on USB.  USB is much improved of late - so I'm told!

 

"Don't look into the laser with your remaining good eye"

 

Cheers,

Frank

post #998 of 1535
I am running 35ft of coaxial cable from v-link192 to gungnir and it works great. Before i had it connected through 40ft optical cable and SQ wasn't as good
post #999 of 1535
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Originally Posted by tgx78 View Post

I am running 35ft of coaxial cable from v-link192 to gungnir and it works great. Before i had it connected through 40ft optical cable and SQ wasn't as good


That is very good information, thanks!

post #1000 of 1535
Anyone done a comparison between the Audiolab M-DAC and the Gungnir? I can't decide between the two.
post #1001 of 1535

Get them both and let us knowpopcorn.gif

post #1002 of 1535
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Originally Posted by redmagic View Post

Anyone done a comparison between the Audiolab M-DAC and the Gungnir? I can't decide between the two.
I preferred the Gungnir to the M-DAC in a direct A/B.
post #1003 of 1535
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

I preferred the Gungnir to the M-DAC in a direct A/B.
What did you like about the Gungnir?
post #1004 of 1535

Upgrading, have mine for sale. Searching for capable DAC upgrades... I'm realizing Gungnir is a super bargain... My wallet...

post #1005 of 1535
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Originally Posted by redmagic View Post

What did you like about the Gungnir?
Don't have notes for that meet unfortunately so I can't be precise, but I thought they were pretty close. If you like the AIO aspect of the M-DAC it is still a nice unit, and it looks fantastic, and you should get it. If you only need a DAC I think the Gungnir is better between the two.
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